So Mr. Shoop, your idea is that we no-lynch and go into Day 2 using ONLY night actions which people may or may not even want to share and analysing the night kill (which is complete WIFOM anyway). If you're so adamant about not lynching anyone, why have you not voted No-Lynch?

Let me quote what I said originally, for it seems that misinterpretation has run rampant on MG.




Never did I say that random votes lead to random lynches. I said that random voting makes it easier for scum to sneak a vote in without having to explain their actions, thus allowing them to sneak by.

I will admit that on the very first time I saw the slew of votes, I thought that this would be a repeat of Cave Story mafia where on the first day of that game, someone was lynched within the first two pages (I believe) of actual game play. Granted, looking back, I did realize that these were a slew of votes that upon further investigation would not lead to an actual lynching. I will, however, stand by my point that casting multitudes of votes, blindly at that, does nothing for the town.



I want to answer all of your questions in one go. It so stands that I was going to simply post another round of self-defense posts before you ninja'd me just now. I am not stalling for time, and even if I did ignore your questions in an attempt to stall for time, who cares if you forget? You are no authority figure; you're just as scummy right now to me as I am to you at this point, and therefore I am in no obligation to answer your questions.


Define "positive material". What I have done was post my reads on select few players (which I plan to expand upon in a few paragraphs here) and defend myself from the mountains of accusations heaped upon me. What you have done was simply one of the grandest mafia performances I have ever seen from you. From my posts on pages 6-8, you turned a simple explanation into the GREATEST SCUM SLIP OF ALL TIME.



I would like the whole town to re-read pages 6-8. I want to know exactly how Brik turned the entire town (pretty much) to turn against me after I explained my view on random voting stage/random lynch votes. I went from nothing to instant criminal in a matter of one post from Brik.



If you actually read my post, I never said that a random LYNCHING happened. I talked about RANDOM VOTES TO LYNCH.



And "no actual material to help us progress"? Really? What more could I have said except for the fact that RVS/RLV are, in my opinion, a risky move for the town because it can cause unfavorable results for the town? Should I have written an entire essay on the fallacy of RVS, because I don't see anyone else having to back up their reasons with myriads of paragraphs of information?



You asked that, to which I replied:



After I pointed out my FOSes, you simply ignored what I wrote sarcastically.



Very well, then. I warned against the whole random voting thing but a few people wanted more explanation on the matter. I then explained further. Afterwards, I was accused by you of trying to appear town-like without actually progressing us forward. Your first flaw was that I did progress the town forward. Not only did I help to stop a small portion of the voting, I also was able to draw out scum reads (indirectly and directly) from King Arthur, identified the lurkers and (indirectly) caused some of them to resume posting and for [:] to prod the rest. Secondly, I was not trying to appear in a town-ish light.

Chat mafia is quite different from forum mafia. On the chat mafias we usually play, we have a small player count so that a lynch on D1 would definitely hit a townie. It's too risky in a small setup, and besides, days go by more quickly.

There's some time before the day ends. I'm not completely set on no lynching. If something happens to change my mind completely then I can have the vote be ready and I won't have to retract it again. I personally feel like voting again and again is scummy.



Alrighty then. Thanks for helping me out there. I apologize, then. Like Blood said, I'm pretty new to this, so I don't know how everything works.

Again, I'm not trying to stop us from voting, I'm trying to stop the random voting, which I have seem to have stopped by now.

Requesting a vote count

I see pretty much everyone who is still on the whole OMFG RANDOM VOTES HES OVERDEFENSIVE DERP MAFMAMFAMFAMF train as scum right now, but biggest scum reads seem to lie with Brikmaninoff, Mr. Shoop, and King Arthur, from most to least scummy.

Brikmaninoff: At this point, it is obvious to see the massive bandwagon he has managed to heap upon me. Do not be deceived - Brikmaninoff's sheer experience in this game can be enough to sway an entire town - check all of MG's mafia games and you'll see what I mean. Even with weak logic (diffuse a silly RV bandwagon -> Panthera leo is scum), he was able to cause a massive finger point (and vote craze from even one of our own inactives [King A]) onto me.

Mr. Shoop: To start, his posts have been irrelevant (mostly) from the start of the game. After the RVS, he disappeared, only to reappear and jump on the "PL is OVERDEFENSEIVE DSJDJADJSDSDJDF" wagon and say that D1 scumhunting is useless.

King A: I'm not too sure about him. He seems like a new player (poor reasoning, bandwagoning), but he's switched his vote twice now, with very weak reasoning for the switch to JC:



and even worse reasons for me except for the fact that people were starting to FOS me:



Most everyone else is reading town at this point, except for the inactives who haven't really posted at all.

@Panthera Leo
Answers are in green.

It's paragraph time!
Firstly, you did NOT help to progress the town forward. We did not want to stop the random voting, as it was our only tool at our disposal then. So how could you have helped us when you did the exact opposite thing of what we wanted to do? Also, I was the one who suspected King Arthur first. You just copied what I said, and put it in your own words to try and blend in with the town, FoSing the person who the person who suspected you, to try to convince him that you are town. In addition to that, if you were not trying to appear in a town-ish light, why were you trying to act scum-like? Wouldn't that just be worse for the town?

Answers in green.

ARGH NINJAS. I'm posting anyway.


Actually, yes you did. That has been your mantra for practically the entire game.

Allow me to refer you to this post and this post.

Here are the important parts:
You seem quite concerned that random voting will lead to random lynching here.
The only reason to fear bandwagons is the lynches they end in.


If you mean that you aided progression by giving us a trail (your own) to follow, then yes, you have helped tremendously. If you actually mean that "stopping a small portion of the voting" is your biggest accomplishment, then I must inform you that that isn't anything to be proud of. Random voting sputters out as the day progresses, just as it did in this game. There is no need to put a stop to it.

If you would be so kind as to show us exactly what scum reads you drew out from Arthur and how, I would be much obliged.


Speaking of which, the questions that I wanted answered are in this post, I'll quote them here for your convenience.
[quote"I"]I would love to see your analysis of of the votes thus far, however. What do you make of them?[/quote]
[quote"I"]2. No, you told TheOneWhoKnocks that my logic was faulty. An explanation did not follow, though I am quite interested in hearing it.[/quote]Can we please hear your explanation of my faulty logic?

I'll add one more as well.
Could you post the long version, please?

You don't owe me any answers personally, by the by. The town is the authority figure to which you owe answers, I am simply an envoy.


Oh, there are also some other points that I came across while reading back.
First, you didn't explain. Second, if you admit to having explained based on a misinterpretation, how on earth can you stand by your analysis after realizing that?

Uhm...


Could you also explain how you came up with this, please?
When you posted this I had accused all of one person of being scum, and I am still on his trail.





I rock, woohoo.

OH GOD SO MUCH TO READ.
Well I'll try to summarized this all for the one who don't want to read these post above me.
So more on the pathera doesn't want us to random vote thing.
Pathera defending himself suspecting brik as a master mind scum who wants make such a big fuss over something he explained.
JC coming in stating that pathera is wrong and how 194 and he suspected pathera first.
Pathera listing his suspects and again explaining his view on random voting saying scum can easily blend into the crowd and not be objected.
JC accussing pathera of copying his suspicions of Arthur.
More about how random voting is a important tool of the town.
Pathera accusing brik of massive finger of suspicion with little evidence.
Cameo by lighting.
Brik asking about pathera's suspicions for Arthur.
JC talking about how pathera is not trying to act town and how he needs evidence and he needs to answer Brik's questions.
That's a quick summary for anyone who doesn't want to read, but honestly everyone would be better off actually reading the argument.

Oh also brik stating the difference between random voting and random lynching, and also JC given fairly reasonable arguments against Pathera's suspects.
I personally side with brik and JC because I've had suspicions on pathera for a little while now. Pathera's not exactly giving hard facts or anything that can sway me all that much. Although I do share his view that people might be over reacting just a tiny bit.

Shoop, we do not intend to lynch this day (not until something really big happens). Scumhunthing is looking for scum here and there, and it probably will take many days. We all know a lynch in Day 1 is risky, because it's the easiest lynch to misguide for the scum team, as we have little information.



Panthera's logic can be flawed to you, but I'm not getting a mislead intention from them. either he's just unknowingly wrong or he's right, but he doesn't appear as being "wrong on purpose", which is the usual scum line when lynching.

Oh, I forgot
@Brik: I was going to discuss it, but then I realized it's better for me to keep it as a secret, until it gets actual meaning (I don't even know what does it mean).

194, what do you think of Leo's defensiveness and counter-accusations against Brik?