So... Exactly what we are doing now?

Oh, it is to laugh. I had no idea you were such a comedian, Leo.

Please go back and read my posts. Actually read them. Nowhere did I say that you were scum because you were posting a lot. I said that the content of your posts indicates scum-like tendencies. You have responded not with valid arguments as to why your point of view on the matter at hand was superior to mine, but instead with personal attacks and redirection of blame. You have no case, yet are trying to hide that fact by moving the spotlight off yourself.

If you can demonstrate the flaws in my thinking I will be glad to acknowledge your thought process, but as it stands you are simply blowing hot air.

Am I the only one to see what a horrible bandwagon jump this is? Anything else and I'll vote for him. For now we have more pressing matters.
IGMEOY: King Arthur



Leo, as everyone has mentioned before, random voting does NOT equal random lynching. In any case, if an RVS wagon does build up and the stupid scum decide to quickhammer, the quickhammerers will be incriminated, and it's a scum loss.




Bad post. We should not "start from scratch". Random voting is meant to see how people take stances, and patterns in the RVS are used to determine top suspects.
And I'm just curious: how are we to "examine each user"?



Another bandwagon jump? Seriously? This is a good example of what I call the Chainsaw Defense(trademarked by Tarhalindur).

Near-perfect example here, except just with a vote. Maybe he's a little scared.
For now, I'm automatically associating him with 194/Panthera.



I find it very weird that in his list of suspects, one of which is accused solely of no helpful discussion, he does not include King Arthur, who has just been jumping on cases.

To be extremely honest, I find JC quite null as for now. He just seems to be doing his typical thing, and he doesn't have nearly enough games to see whether this is scum or town.

Town reads(S>W)-Brikmaninoff, Felipe.
Null reads(Nothing interesting)-Lightning, TheOneWhoKnocks, Dephius, Blood, JamesClyde, kyuubit, Bonsai, Shoop, Cactus, Thomas.
Scum reads(S>W)-Ramsey, Panthera, 194, King Arthur.

Vote: Ramsey
The reason why I'm not voting Panthera is that I feel Ramsey is scummier.

I'm curious, Terra. You explain your scum reads on both Panthera and Ramsey, but do not explain your reads on me or on King Arthur. Could you explain?

I'll explain.

My scumread on you is because of your discussion with JamesClyde over the RVS and how you followed Panthera.
My scumread on King Arthur is because of his horrible bandwagon jump and his lack of useful posting. Mostly the bandwagon jump.

Should you require further explanation, I'll be happy to quote.

No problem, that's enough.

Vote Pant Leo
Here you go again discrediting Brik with the "what have you done?" he's done more than you have actually. Where are his "random FoS's? You mean on you? He's right, you "getting people to stop random voting" does what exactly? Stops bandwagons when there are 9 votes to lynch? Do you really think it would be possible for people to bandwagon 9 votes on a person and randomly lynch them?

Just a heads up i havent been/am not posting because its new years and i am going to get wasted so

Deal

Just know that i would love to pick apart why terra sounds dumb but you will all have to deal with the cliffhanger until tomorrow.

I didnt bandwagon you loser, i gave my own reasoning and after reading james' post i voted him. Chill.

I never said that nine votes would be bandwagoned on ONE person. The point is, the random lynch voting does nothing but waste time, waste votes, and cause unnecessary confusion such as what we have presently.

Ｖｏｔｅ：　Ｒａｍｓｅｙ　ｆｏｒ　ｃａｌｌｉｎｇ　ｓｏｍｅｂｏｄｙ　ａ　ｌｏｓｅｒ

Ｔｈａｔ’ｓ　ｎｏｔ　ｖｅｒｙ　ｎｉｃｅ

Dunno about you Leo, but I'm not very confused. And why is it a waste of time, it's got us here (albeit indirectly).

I'm going to address your paragraphs in order because quoting on a phone is a rather tedious business.

1. Right, I quoted the important part. Analyzing votes is a very useful tool, but analyzing what people post is just as handy. I am currently doing the latter, since you have posted more than you have voted.

I would love to see your analysis of of the votes thus far, however. What do you make of them?


2. No, you told TheOneWhoKnocks that my logic was faulty. An explanation did not follow, though I am quite interested in hearing it.


3. What ridiculous bandwagoning? I have seen no ridiculous bandwagoning in this game. And again, even if there had been, it would ultimately lead to the mafias' downfall.


4. I've done more to move this game forward than three quarters of the player base. None of my one and a half accusations have been random either.

5. : )

Panthera, if you are town, I think you need to step away from the game for a moment, read through the day again, and come at it with a new, clearer perspective. As it is, you may be too caught up in the momentum of the conversation.


Pre-post edit, directed at Panthera:

What is a bandwagon, if not on one person? I can't realistically believe that the possibility of putting people at lynch minus four is what has you preoccupied. Your argument gets weaker every time you post, bro. Votes aren't a limited resource, so we needn't worry about wasting them. Throwing them around (or discussing why we shouldn't c; ) is a good way to get the game moving.



Also, I agree with Kyuubit. I won't have any name-calling going on around here, you boneheads.

Translation: I'm really scared that Terra figured me out Day 1 but I'll attack him in hopes that he'll be scared and back down.

I feel very insulted. Never in my entire mafia playing life have I ever been accused of being "dumb" and a "loser". It seems to me that you may be falling under pressure, resorting to such insults in order to throw me off, to keep me quiet. This just makes me suspect you even more than I already do.

I do admit that I made a mistake. I had thought that people had voted my brother earlier. In fact, this just makes my argument even stronger, due to the fact that you just randomly voted him out of nowhere with no reasoning in an attempt to shake him off track.

Regardless, even if you read James' post and found him scummy, you did not post your reasoning at all. I assumed it was the Chainsaw Defense, and I will be correct if you do not post your reasoning, which the post fully quoted, of course.
If your argument against him is simply "Oh he looks like last game where he was scum." then you are mistaken. Refer to my previous posts for why I think this does not matter, at least for now.



I'm not confused at all. If anything the random voting stage has allowed me to find my main suspect(indirectly, of course), which is Ramsey.

@everyone else: I'm so sorry that I have to resort to such abrasive language, but this is mafia.

So from what I've collected the most suspicious people are pathera and terra.
The reason for both of my suspicions are actually quite similar.
Pathera and terra are treating this like day 2. On day 1 votes are suppose to fly around randomly because we have almost nothing to go off of. Whether you give reason or not(or whether your reasoning is good), randomly voting for someone at the start of day one is merely for experimental purposes, and isn't really a serious cause for a lynch. The fact that both of these players are having suspicions based off of how someone voted at the start of day one is very outlandish and as a result it looks like an attempt to get a actual lynch going based off something that's experimental.
Also guys random voting and random lynching are two completely different things.