One thing to help ppl out. I'd like to see dash to air dspecial have it's air momentum decreased. I don't like seeing people on one side of the map, dash to air dspecial, and overshoot so far that they throw themselves off the stage. I wouldn't say a huge drop in momentum. just a little would seem fair.

^I can agree with that. I dunno why its momentum spikes so high all of a sudden now.

It's Melee physics with Brawl's running speeds. In this case, Sonic actually does this here and PM too; thing is, the stages are small enough to launch yourself to Yoshi's Island and back. So yeah, I totally support a momentum loss from ground-to-air.

The only other solution to it would be to allow sonic to cancel his air dspecial, but if you do such a thing, you'd need to nerf its meteor power to compensate for its new utility

I think I've changed my stance on Sonic's recovery. Homing Attack is the best it's ever been and is a great asset to recovering with Sonic. In conjunction with Light Speed Dash or Spring Jump, Sonic tends to get back on stage more than most of the cast does. I still would like a small buff to Spring Jump's or LSD's distance, but Sonic is fine in terms of that.

Sonics Fair needs to be changed, it aint good for combos or damage, it should be replaced by the axe kick. His recovery needs more distance and momentum so it can be eaiser to grab on ledges or get back to the battlefield. I dont like how his down smash is, its really slow and sometimes it stays in place, it should be changed as well. Sonics side special should have a bit more distance and no helpless state. DAir needs a spike,more falling speed and no start up lag. He also needs a higher jump with less falling speed, i feel like im playing ganondorf in brawl. And i dont really like what the SSF2 did to his FS in 0.9. Plus, he needs some voice clips from any game hes in, i dont want a voiceless weak character what i need is a actual character. He needs a buff as well. I main him in SSF2 but i dont like what the SSF2 team did to his strentgh and stuff.

So basically, break Sonic the Hedgehog.

How about you give some reasoning behind your changes.

Break sonic the hedgehog? Why would anybody do that (9xsonic7 would -_-)? He needs a more feel to his moveset. And i do want that spin dash, BAir and Usmash nerfed, theyre OP as crap.
First of all, i already gave a reason why his FAir should be replaced. Now the recovery needs a buff, not a huge nerf. Its the distance of a jump and half, so it should better. Down smash was nerfed by speed, range and lag, but buffed by knuckback. Another reason why that should be replaced as well. His Side Special, was already given the reason. What i meant by DAir with no start up lag is how you wait a second for sonic to do DAir. In SSB4, it has a spike and more falling speed, in PM, it starts quick so what im saying is mix those up for his DAir. I take back bout the jumps. FS is like weaker now and isnt really good as it was before. Yes, the voice clip complaint was by 9xsonic7 but i agree with him on that but mixing up voice clips would be dumb. I also feel that sonic needs a buff. Another thing, about the sprites, it doesnt fit the SSF2 style. He looks like hes bigger than anyone and he has the Sonic advance style which is overused. Same with tails.

I agree with the bair nerf to an extent, (huge hitbox) but everything else is just a dumb idea or unnecessary.

Have you tried to use Neutral-B as Recovery? If you charge it, it can go quite some distance.

I agree with a momentum change in his up-spec cause as it stands right now it feels a little... off. Like he starts out with a nice amount of momentum, in which ever direction the player makes him go in, and then it... it just stops when he reaches the max height.

IDK, I just what the move to be smoother.

And I think he's talking about d-spec>*jump* D-air combo

THANK YOU! And about the combo thing, you cant cancel out of DspecAir, and you can keep spamming with it which is why it should be removed. I tested that on every character and guess what? I win without losing a stock cuz of the move.

Dspec cancels on the edge and pops up when landing, so it's perfectly viable for combos. What they're probably talking about is grounded down-special to aerial down-special to dair, which sometimes works.

In general, I'm assuming you didn't play against anyone very good or a CPU. CPU's are stupid: don't trust them to model actual players. If I can beat a level 9 CPU with just Falcon Punch, does that make the move viable in neutral?

Please in the future try to make what you say clearer. I don't care if you write like Steinbeck on the fora, but it helps when replying if it's clearer what you actually mean.