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Villerar
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8563111.stmThere have been a total of 130 expulsions in the past four months. The only impartial source I could find reporting this, however, is in Dutch (which is more recent, hence I post it now). Note that not all were active proselytism, as the quote implies (because some people think proselytism shouldn't be protected).
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Hakker
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I'm against proselytism, personally, especially when children are the ones being targeted, as they have no way to mount a defense against that sort of thing.
But on the other hand, I wouldn't put it past Morroco to pull something like this just to try and get rid of the Christians. When I see them kicking Muslims out for doing it, then I'll consider applauding them for taking a step in the right direction.
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Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:55 am |
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Villerar
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I just view it as falling under freedom of expression. If freedom of expression guarantees advertising that is obnoxious to, say, feminists, proselytism certainly should be protected by it. Though I admit it can be obnoxious (and that children should not be targeted seems fair game to me, too).
Proselytism isn't just going from door to door and trying to stick on as long as possible, though. Things like organising Bible studies for neophytes or the like, handing out Bibles or preaching in public (regardless of location) are also proselytism. Converting people who want to be converted is also proselytism. If I would pick a stool (the furniture, not the ordure) and start teaching liberation theology, I'd be a proselytiser, too (and I'd likely be targeted by far-right thugs).
In some of these cases, they were raising orphans. I think that is different than trying to proselytise amongst young children (which I agree is odious). If somebody raises adopted children, I don't see why these are not allowed to be raised as one of the foster-parent's own children.
Even when proselytising is outlawed, is expulsion a proportional punishment? I can't see any punishment more serious than a fine being just. Though I admit it is better than a death sentence, but then again, that is no standard.
Also, Kyuubee, the main differences between Monaco and Morocco are the level of taxation and the official religion.
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Kittenpuncher
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I kinda agree with both you and Hakker. Children should certainly not be targeted, but there's nothing wrong with preaching in public. If you don't like it, ignore it. You do the same for all of the s**** asking you to plunk down a dollar for a Coke, I don't see why a religion shouldn't be able to appease you for your loyalty (Which is free, unlike the Coke).
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Kyzak
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s***. lets be religiously intolerant
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Villerar
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Well, I should be fair and concede that it is not free, most denominations do have same sort of fee, but there is often a large optional part. This is often for things like maintenance, sound and heating. (In several countries, you can extract this from taxation. It is safe to say most are not like Scientology or televangelists and do request low fees. Finally, nobody has to go to any church (regularly), so nobody has to pay just for holding some beliefs. You are completely right in that sense, but I felt I had to add some sidenotes.
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