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I'll take my vote off Dephius, I don't exactly buy his claim, but I guess I really have no solid evidence of it being fake...
I'll still keep my eye on him, but there are other players who have a higher chance of being scum...
Lynching Lucina is questionable, really he hasn't done much to give off a scum vibe(except maybe his last post.)
As for the TOWK, he has been agreeing with me a considerable amount. Wether this is an attempt to get in good with the town as soon as I die or just pure coincidence is beyond me.
I'm personally leaning towards lynching Lucina right now, but really I'm not that convinced it's the right thing to do just yet.


Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:04 am
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Dephius, I have a feew questions for you.

1. What is your favorite role to play as?
2. Do you like Power Roles? Why or why not?
3. Which side you like to play as?


Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:23 am
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2. Yes, I they add variety.
3. I've only ever been town.


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I vote we lynch Lucina then Brik. Still more FoS on Brik but we've got to get this party started.

Vote: Lucina

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Not sure what you guys see on Lucina. I see him as null-town, he hasn't done anything to much to set of my scumdar. Is it just his lack of contribution?
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suspects Deph and Brik, will elaborate more later.
My agreements with BB is just because he's had good ideas/points.

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K yeah so

Lucina flips town we lynch Brik, Lucina flips scum we lynch TOWK.

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K yeah so

Lucina flips town we lynch Brik, Lucina flips scum we lynch TOWK.

This coming from the guy who used exactly the same strategy as scum? I thought we had agreed that dichotomies like this were a bad idea.

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This one's different.

What you're thinking of is "If player A is inno, we lynch player B. If player A is scum, we find a different target."

What I'm saying is "If player A is inno, we lynch player B. If player A is scum, we lynch player C."

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I'm getting scum vibes from BB, Brik, Lucina and TOWK, but I don't have enough evidence yet to present a case on any of them.

@DJ Wiz
I fail to see how your logic connects. Is it simply because of Brik's long post last page? If Brik is town-sided, that post is just his suspiscions, right?


Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:14 pm
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Terra: Jenka - life pots
Deph: Luke - doctor
DJ Wiz (soft claim): watcher role; Pidgeotto/Emma Altava

I'm disappointed in the direction the conversation has drifted at the moment. With the new information we have right now, Dephius (Vote: Dephius btw) is practically confirmed to be scum if DJ Wiz has the role he seems to have. (DJW is practically confirmed watcher btw since his report caused Deph to claim, and the actions Terra claims to have taken and 135's confirmation all add up.) According to DJ Wiz, both Terra and Deph visited 135. It's highly unlikely there is more than one town-sided protective role in the game, so there's a high chance there is a mafia between Terra and Deph. Because 135 confirmed receiving a life pot, Terra is the more likely townie of the two. The only way Terra could be scum is if 135 and DJ Wiz were scum as well. Therefore, Terra is not scum; there is no role that I can recall where mafia would benefit from visiting another scum. This leaves Deph as the more logical choice for scum between the two.

Letting off of Believeblood for the moment because of the new info, but I still feel the investigation Terra got shouldn't be disregarded. Fos him more because he took his vote off of Deph for a lame reason.

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I agree with crabby on all points I think, but I'm not done going through yet, so stand by on that.

I will say that Believeblood is looking a bit scummy atm, but there's no reason to lynch him for now. If Cthulu is indeed present, the chances that this will be confirmed or supported through some means or another increases as the game goes on. If we get to lylo or something and we have no leads, we can always ask for a Cthulu claim. Basically he acts as our ace in the hole.

I'm not fully convinced that we do have Cthulu though, considering odds would be against hitting a guilty player on the first night.

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Crabby wrote:
I'm disappointed in the direction the conversation has drifted at the moment. With the new information we have right now, Dephius (Vote: Dephius btw) is practically confirmed to be scum if DJ Wiz has the role he seems to have. (DJW is practically confirmed watcher btw since his report caused Deph to claim, and the actions Terra claims to have taken and 135's confirmation all add up.) According to DJ Wiz, both Terra and Deph visited 135. It's highly unlikely there is more than one town-sided protective role in the game, so there's a high chance there is a mafia between Terra and Deph. Because 135 confirmed receiving a life pot, Terra is the more likely townie of the two. The only way Terra could be scum is if 135 and DJ Wiz were scum as well. Therefore, Terra is not scum; there is no role that I can recall where mafia would benefit from visiting another scum. This leaves Deph as the more logical choice for scum between the two.


Brikmaninoff wrote:
Now, regarding the Dephius and Terra issue. It's important to remember that Jenka is actually pretty bad for a protective role. She can't protect anyone directly, which means that it's impossible for her to anticipate the mafia kill and prevent it. In addition to this, Life Pots only protect the user for one night, whether that person is targeted or not. Assuming that 194 didn't change anything regarding all that, it's easy to see why she is more of a small bonus to the town than a real protective role. It makes complete sense for there to be a true doctor in the game alongside Jenka.


I'm not saying that this confirms Dephius' claim or anything, but we can't just disregard it because Jenka is in the game.

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I'll do a few more after these, probably on Deph and Lucina. Right now's TOWK.
Summary of TOWK(chronologically):
Day 1-Partakes in setup speculation discussion in the beginning of the game, acts as random as always in the RVS. Then suggests a no-lynch, and brings it up later when he realizes people aren't listening. Brings pressure on me, agreeing with BB, after I put pressure on Crabby. Me and him argue over the implications of my vote. Even after justification, he still doesn't trust me and asks for opinions and places pressure on Cactus for going for NL. After Lucina brings up suspicion of him, he gets quite defensive about me. Agrees with DJ Wiz on the Brik case, where Brik said either TOWK or I was mafia. Suddenly changes and says he was seriously nitpicking my posts, and was trying to test for reactions and got nothing. After DJ Wiz's voting of me, he asks the question on why DJ Wiz doesn't want anyone else to wagon. He attacks Deph on ignoring scumminess, and then tries to go for an NL as he doesn't want stuff to end up like the NIxter lynch. Asks 194 to prod Crabby and Cactus. Crabby casts doubt on him, and he repeats the reason for the Nixter lynch. Mentions to DJ Wiz that Brik did vote for me. Defends the attacks on DJ mentioning his self-vote, then votes NL and the day ends.
Day 2(so far)-He said he couldn't think of any reason why Cactus died at the beginning of the day. He votes for Dephius after DJ Wiz's softclaim of watcher. Then casts doubt on Deph's doc claim, saying that he's using a safe-claim. Tells Brik about how I'm so scummy that Cthlutu wouldn't send a PM to me. Assumes that the dream cop sent it then provides reasoning to my question. Infers that I'm third party because I gave an item. Agrees to DJ asking me what in the world I gave 135, being oh so sure I'm third party. Pushes me to claim, and then is surprised that he "forgot" about the role. Then asks Brik why Lucina is maf.

That's it for now. I'm thinking that he didn't put too much pressure on Day 2 as his town play would. Infer what you will.

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So current reads:

Conf. Town
DJ, 135, and Terra
I guess it's possible they're all scum buddies and this is some extremely elaborate plan, in which case bravo, but its unlikely.
Town
BB
has made a lot of good points and seems very town oriented.
Null town
Lucina, Void
Lucina hasn't been playing like last game really. I haven't been getting te scum vibes off of him thy you guys have apparently had, but I dont like his lack of good contribution.
Void has posted very little but what he's posted hasn't given me anything to worry about.
Null
Fly or Die
Going off of memory, I can't remember much contribution and anything I remember him saying wasn't town or scum.
Nullscum
Crabby
Not much contribution, but I didn't really like how he jumped right on the BB wagon when he got in.
Scum
Deph, Brik
Deph I think I've explained before, and Cranby essentially said everything I was going to say in his last post so just look there. In short, I really didn't like his early, specific claim when he was under only a little pressure. Now that we have Jenka confirmed in the game I'd doubt another protective role from the same game is also in this one.
Brik I've been getting vibes off of since day 1. I really didn't like how he was trying to set up lynches pretty early in the ge. He's even been doing it a little today if I recall, but it's more understandable day 2. I don't like how he's calling Deph dumbtown when Deph has never really acted like this before (he's also never been scum before).

I apologize for any major spelling errors in advance, also if I forgot anyone let me know.

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TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
DJ, 135, and Terra
I guess it's possible they're all scum buddies and this is some extremely elaborate plan,

Oh rats you found us

Cerealously everyone vote Lucina so we can lynch Brik

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