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SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
blackking1700 wrote:
I speculate a latter mode, tourney mode, and all-star vs mode(outside of special brawls).


I'm not sure what "latter" mode is, care to explain? Tourney and (especially) All-Star Mode are modes I don't see happening until the final version, as All-Star Mode is only unlocked when all characters are unlocked. Since we're still in demo status, we don't have all the characters yet.

IncredibleLuigi wrote:
I speculate Llyod getting a resprite(I mean its the same exact sprite from SSF, I mean Cmon?! :doh:). Also speculating that mega and mini modes will get deep and high pitch voices for the characters.


I don't think Lloyd's sprites are bad, just unfitting. With all the new custom made sprites for characters recently, Lloyd's sprite (including Sonic's, Tails', Wario's, Peach's, Sora's, Megaman's, and BM's for that matter) could get a resprite or at least a "recoloring" like what the Anime characters got.

As for pitch shifting, I heard AS3 is capable of doing that, so it's just a matter of time they'll add that to the game.


Latter mode is basicly the story mode for arcade fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. I'm perfectly aware that All-Star mode is unlocked after all the characters are unlocked, but until the devs officially announce another demo we are speculating for the full version. All-Star Vs. Mode is another type of All-Star Mode were you get to choose a character for each of your stocks!!! It was done by the PMBR.

I main Lloyd so I know he definitely needs a resprite. I give major credits to the devs for coming up with an amazing moveset out of what the had to work with! If they resprite him the can change his ssmash/sspecial; give him a better recovery; even give him a couple moves from the anime. I think a resprite would be good for Lloyd.

Also it seems everyone forgets about a resprite for Fox.


Oh, Ok. I guess that's something interesting to think about.

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Lloyd grabs opponents by stabbing them. And his Back Throw doesn't even has a sprite of him turning back.
He definitely needs a resprite.


Actually, in the current demo (b4 the patch and after) Lloyd's grab no longer stabs. Also I checked, Lloyd isn't the only character that doesn't turn when they use their Back Throw. Kirby is one of them that doesn't.

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blackking1700 wrote:
SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
blackking1700 wrote:
I speculate a latter mode, tourney mode, and all-star vs mode(outside of special brawls).


I'm not sure what "latter" mode is, care to explain? Tourney and (especially) All-Star Mode are modes I don't see happening until the final version, as All-Star Mode is only unlocked when all characters are unlocked. Since we're still in demo status, we don't have all the characters yet.

IncredibleLuigi wrote:
I speculate Llyod getting a resprite(I mean its the same exact sprite from SSF, I mean Cmon?! :doh:). Also speculating that mega and mini modes will get deep and high pitch voices for the characters.


I don't think Lloyd's sprites are bad, just unfitting. With all the new custom made sprites for characters recently, Lloyd's sprite (including Sonic's, Tails', Wario's, Peach's, Sora's, Megaman's, and BM's for that matter) could get a resprite or at least a "recoloring" like what the Anime characters got.

As for pitch shifting, I heard AS3 is capable of doing that, so it's just a matter of time they'll add that to the game.


Latter mode is basicly the story mode for arcade fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. I'm perfectly aware that All-Star mode is unlocked after all the characters are unlocked, but until the devs officially announce another demo we are speculating for the full version. All-Star Vs. Mode is another type of All-Star Mode were you get to choose a character for each of your stocks!!! It was done by the PMBR.

I main Lloyd so I know he definitely needs a resprite. I give major credits to the devs for coming up with an amazing moveset out of what the had to work with! If they resprite him the can change his ssmash/sspecial; give him a better recovery; even give him a couple moves from the anime. I think a resprite would be good for Lloyd.

Also it seems everyone forgets about a resprite for Fox.


Oh, Ok. I guess that's something interesting to think about.

Kirb-Star wrote:
Lloyd grabs opponents by stabbing them. And his Back Throw doesn't even has a sprite of him turning back.
He definitely needs a resprite.


Actually, in the current demo (b4 the patch and after) Lloyd's grab no longer stabs. Also I checked, Lloyd isn't the only character that doesn't turn when they use their Back Throw. Kirby is one of them that doesn't.


D'oh! I have to pay more attention. And about Kirby's Back Throw, it at least originated from Kirby's Backdrop and Suplex abilities in both Kirby's Adventure, Super Star and their respective remakes. While Lloyd just uses a sprite he uses before/after attacking.

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Kirb-Star wrote:
SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
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blackking1700 wrote:
SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
blackking1700 wrote:
I speculate a latter mode, tourney mode, and all-star vs mode(outside of special brawls).


I'm not sure what "latter" mode is, care to explain? Tourney and (especially) All-Star Mode are modes I don't see happening until the final version, as All-Star Mode is only unlocked when all characters are unlocked. Since we're still in demo status, we don't have all the characters yet.

IncredibleLuigi wrote:
I speculate Llyod getting a resprite(I mean its the same exact sprite from SSF, I mean Cmon?! :doh:). Also speculating that mega and mini modes will get deep and high pitch voices for the characters.


I don't think Lloyd's sprites are bad, just unfitting. With all the new custom made sprites for characters recently, Lloyd's sprite (including Sonic's, Tails', Wario's, Peach's, Sora's, Megaman's, and BM's for that matter) could get a resprite or at least a "recoloring" like what the Anime characters got.

As for pitch shifting, I heard AS3 is capable of doing that, so it's just a matter of time they'll add that to the game.


Latter mode is basicly the story mode for arcade fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. I'm perfectly aware that All-Star mode is unlocked after all the characters are unlocked, but until the devs officially announce another demo we are speculating for the full version. All-Star Vs. Mode is another type of All-Star Mode were you get to choose a character for each of your stocks!!! It was done by the PMBR.

I main Lloyd so I know he definitely needs a resprite. I give major credits to the devs for coming up with an amazing moveset out of what the had to work with! If they resprite him the can change his ssmash/sspecial; give him a better recovery; even give him a couple moves from the anime. I think a resprite would be good for Lloyd.

Also it seems everyone forgets about a resprite for Fox.


Oh, Ok. I guess that's something interesting to think about.

Kirb-Star wrote:
Lloyd grabs opponents by stabbing them. And his Back Throw doesn't even has a sprite of him turning back.
He definitely needs a resprite.


Actually, in the current demo (b4 the patch and after) Lloyd's grab no longer stabs. Also I checked, Lloyd isn't the only character that doesn't turn when they use their Back Throw. Kirby is one of them that doesn't.


D'oh! I have to pay more attention. And about Kirby's Back Throw, it at least originated from Kirby's Backdrop and Suplex abilities in both Kirby's Adventure, Super Star and their respective remakes. While Lloyd just uses a sprite he uses before/after attacking.


Here's a list of changes that might be good for Lloyd:

-His down special should be changed to guardian and should protect and do reflect damage.
-Move grave blade to down smash and sword rain to side special.
-Tempest should have short-midrange homing/aiming(increasing range if held). If it hits it continues downward and if it doesn't than the move cancels. This would boost Lloyd's recovery by using tempest to home in close to the stage, using tiger blade then quickly using tempest again.

Here's two reference videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gPj_dKdmFY&app=desktop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFHZEW6pyjQ

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blackking1700 wrote:
Kirb-Star wrote:
SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
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blackking1700 wrote:
SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
blackking1700 wrote:
I speculate a latter mode, tourney mode, and all-star vs mode(outside of special brawls).


I'm not sure what "latter" mode is, care to explain? Tourney and (especially) All-Star Mode are modes I don't see happening until the final version, as All-Star Mode is only unlocked when all characters are unlocked. Since we're still in demo status, we don't have all the characters yet.

IncredibleLuigi wrote:
I speculate Llyod getting a resprite(I mean its the same exact sprite from SSF, I mean Cmon?! :doh:). Also speculating that mega and mini modes will get deep and high pitch voices for the characters.


I don't think Lloyd's sprites are bad, just unfitting. With all the new custom made sprites for characters recently, Lloyd's sprite (including Sonic's, Tails', Wario's, Peach's, Sora's, Megaman's, and BM's for that matter) could get a resprite or at least a "recoloring" like what the Anime characters got.

As for pitch shifting, I heard AS3 is capable of doing that, so it's just a matter of time they'll add that to the game.


Latter mode is basicly the story mode for arcade fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. I'm perfectly aware that All-Star mode is unlocked after all the characters are unlocked, but until the devs officially announce another demo we are speculating for the full version. All-Star Vs. Mode is another type of All-Star Mode were you get to choose a character for each of your stocks!!! It was done by the PMBR.

I main Lloyd so I know he definitely needs a resprite. I give major credits to the devs for coming up with an amazing moveset out of what the had to work with! If they resprite him the can change his ssmash/sspecial; give him a better recovery; even give him a couple moves from the anime. I think a resprite would be good for Lloyd.

Also it seems everyone forgets about a resprite for Fox.


Oh, Ok. I guess that's something interesting to think about.

Kirb-Star wrote:
Lloyd grabs opponents by stabbing them. And his Back Throw doesn't even has a sprite of him turning back.
He definitely needs a resprite.


Actually, in the current demo (b4 the patch and after) Lloyd's grab no longer stabs. Also I checked, Lloyd isn't the only character that doesn't turn when they use their Back Throw. Kirby is one of them that doesn't.


D'oh! I have to pay more attention. And about Kirby's Back Throw, it at least originated from Kirby's Backdrop and Suplex abilities in both Kirby's Adventure, Super Star and their respective remakes. While Lloyd just uses a sprite he uses before/after attacking.


Here's a list of changes that might be good for Lloyd:

-His down special should be changed to guardian and should protect and do reflect damage.
-Move grave blade to down smash and sword rain to side special.
-Tempest should have short-midrange homing/aiming(increasing range if held). If it hits it continues downward and if it doesn't than the move cancels. This would boost Lloyd's recovery by using tempest to home in close to the stage, using tiger blade then quickly using tempest again.

Here's two reference videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gPj_dKdmFY&app=desktop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFHZEW6pyjQ

Those changes aren't very good at all tbh, Guardian was pretty trash considering it did block projectiles but it had a bunch of end lag, and when you compare it to other moves that avoid projectiles it's piss poor in comparison. And why would it reflect if it never did so in it's game??? All it was is another way to reduce spell damage in it's original game. And if anything Lloyd should just have variations of his Sword Rain like Sword Rain Alpha and Beta to mix things up. Have you ever played ToS?

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yoh wrote:
blackking1700 wrote:
Kirb-Star wrote:
SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
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blackking1700 wrote:
SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
blackking1700 wrote:
I speculate a latter mode, tourney mode, and all-star vs mode(outside of special brawls).


I'm not sure what "latter" mode is, care to explain? Tourney and (especially) All-Star Mode are modes I don't see happening until the final version, as All-Star Mode is only unlocked when all characters are unlocked. Since we're still in demo status, we don't have all the characters yet.

IncredibleLuigi wrote:
I speculate Llyod getting a resprite(I mean its the same exact sprite from SSF, I mean Cmon?! :doh:). Also speculating that mega and mini modes will get deep and high pitch voices for the characters.


I don't think Lloyd's sprites are bad, just unfitting. With all the new custom made sprites for characters recently, Lloyd's sprite (including Sonic's, Tails', Wario's, Peach's, Sora's, Megaman's, and BM's for that matter) could get a resprite or at least a "recoloring" like what the Anime characters got.

As for pitch shifting, I heard AS3 is capable of doing that, so it's just a matter of time they'll add that to the game.


Latter mode is basicly the story mode for arcade fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. I'm perfectly aware that All-Star mode is unlocked after all the characters are unlocked, but until the devs officially announce another demo we are speculating for the full version. All-Star Vs. Mode is another type of All-Star Mode were you get to choose a character for each of your stocks!!! It was done by the PMBR.

I main Lloyd so I know he definitely needs a resprite. I give major credits to the devs for coming up with an amazing moveset out of what the had to work with! If they resprite him the can change his ssmash/sspecial; give him a better recovery; even give him a couple moves from the anime. I think a resprite would be good for Lloyd.

Also it seems everyone forgets about a resprite for Fox.


Oh, Ok. I guess that's something interesting to think about.

Kirb-Star wrote:
Lloyd grabs opponents by stabbing them. And his Back Throw doesn't even has a sprite of him turning back.
He definitely needs a resprite.


Actually, in the current demo (b4 the patch and after) Lloyd's grab no longer stabs. Also I checked, Lloyd isn't the only character that doesn't turn when they use their Back Throw. Kirby is one of them that doesn't.


D'oh! I have to pay more attention. And about Kirby's Back Throw, it at least originated from Kirby's Backdrop and Suplex abilities in both Kirby's Adventure, Super Star and their respective remakes. While Lloyd just uses a sprite he uses before/after attacking.


Here's a list of changes that might be good for Lloyd:

-His down special should be changed to guardian and should protect and do reflect damage.
-Move grave blade to down smash and sword rain to side special.
-Tempest should have short-midrange homing/aiming(increasing range if held). If it hits it continues downward and if it doesn't than the move cancels. This would boost Lloyd's recovery by using tempest to home in close to the stage, using tiger blade then quickly using tempest again.

Here's two reference videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gPj_dKdmFY&app=desktop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFHZEW6pyjQ

Those changes aren't very good at all tbh, Guardian was pretty trash considering it did block projectiles but it had a bunch of end lag, and when you compare it to other moves that avoid projectiles it's piss poor in comparison. And why would it reflect if it never did so in it's game??? All it was is another way to reduce spell damage in it's original game. And if anything Lloyd should just have variations of his Sword Rain like Sword Rain Alpha and Beta to mix things up. Have you ever played ToS?



No! Every time I attempt to buy the game, my little brothers break my Wii. lol

Your right about, after doing more research I came up with this:

Guardian can be uses different ways; he can use guardian to block projectiles and to cut damage, and then follow up with Demonic Demon Fang. And for the end lag, make him dodge roll out(in the same place) and then go strait into the followup attack. Lloyd has alot of combo moves(i.e. Tempest Beast), so this is sorta to the lines of that.

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SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
blackking1700 wrote:
I speculate a latter mode, tourney mode, and all-star vs mode(outside of special brawls).


I'm not sure what "latter" mode is, care to explain? Tourney and (especially) All-Star Mode are modes I don't see happening until the final version, as All-Star Mode is only unlocked when all characters are unlocked. Since we're still in demo status, we don't have all the characters yet.

IncredibleLuigi wrote:
I speculate Llyod getting a resprite(I mean its the same exact sprite from SSF, I mean Cmon?! :doh:). Also speculating that mega and mini modes will get deep and high pitch voices for the characters.


I don't think Lloyd's sprites are bad, just unfitting. With all the new custom made sprites for characters recently, Lloyd's sprite (including Sonic's, Tails', Wario's, Peach's, Sora's, Megaman's, and BM's for that matter) could get a resprite or at least a "recoloring" like what the Anime characters got.

As for pitch shifting, I heard AS3 is capable of doing that, so it's just a matter of time they'll add that to the game.

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IncredibleLuigi wrote:
SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
blackking1700 wrote:
I speculate a latter mode, tourney mode, and all-star vs mode(outside of special brawls).


I'm not sure what "latter" mode is, care to explain? Tourney and (especially) All-Star Mode are modes I don't see happening until the final version, as All-Star Mode is only unlocked when all characters are unlocked. Since we're still in demo status, we don't have all the characters yet.

IncredibleLuigi wrote:
I speculate Llyod getting a resprite(I mean its the same exact sprite from SSF, I mean Cmon?! :doh:). Also speculating that mega and mini modes will get deep and high pitch voices for the characters.


I don't think Lloyd's sprites are bad, just unfitting. With all the new custom made sprites for characters recently, Lloyd's sprite (including Sonic's, Tails', Wario's, Peach's, Sora's, Megaman's, and BM's for that matter) could get a resprite or at least a "recoloring" like what the Anime characters got.

As for pitch shifting, I heard AS3 is capable of doing that, so it's just a matter of time they'll add that to the game.

Ichigo got a touch up on his resprite along with a recolor. If Llyod gets a recolor/resprite his coat should be dark red.

Why would it be dark Red? He's never worn dark Red.
In ToS it's a lighter red along with the Anime, ToS2's colors made everything look dark.

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yoh wrote:
IncredibleLuigi wrote:
SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
blackking1700 wrote:
I speculate a latter mode, tourney mode, and all-star vs mode(outside of special brawls).


I'm not sure what "latter" mode is, care to explain? Tourney and (especially) All-Star Mode are modes I don't see happening until the final version, as All-Star Mode is only unlocked when all characters are unlocked. Since we're still in demo status, we don't have all the characters yet.

IncredibleLuigi wrote:
I speculate Llyod getting a resprite(I mean its the same exact sprite from SSF, I mean Cmon?! :doh:). Also speculating that mega and mini modes will get deep and high pitch voices for the characters.


I don't think Lloyd's sprites are bad, just unfitting. With all the new custom made sprites for characters recently, Lloyd's sprite (including Sonic's, Tails', Wario's, Peach's, Sora's, Megaman's, and BM's for that matter) could get a resprite or at least a "recoloring" like what the Anime characters got.

As for pitch shifting, I heard AS3 is capable of doing that, so it's just a matter of time they'll add that to the game.

Ichigo got a touch up on his resprite along with a recolor. If Llyod gets a recolor/resprite his coat should be dark red.

Why would it be dark Red? He's never worn dark Red.
In ToS it's a lighter red along with the Anime, ToS2's colors made everything look dark.

They could do this like with Goku getting a recolor exclusive for SSF2

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IncredibleLuigi wrote:
yoh wrote:
IncredibleLuigi wrote:
SuperSegaSonicSS wrote:
blackking1700 wrote:
I speculate a latter mode, tourney mode, and all-star vs mode(outside of special brawls).


I'm not sure what "latter" mode is, care to explain? Tourney and (especially) All-Star Mode are modes I don't see happening until the final version, as All-Star Mode is only unlocked when all characters are unlocked. Since we're still in demo status, we don't have all the characters yet.

IncredibleLuigi wrote:
I speculate Llyod getting a resprite(I mean its the same exact sprite from SSF, I mean Cmon?! :doh:). Also speculating that mega and mini modes will get deep and high pitch voices for the characters.


I don't think Lloyd's sprites are bad, just unfitting. With all the new custom made sprites for characters recently, Lloyd's sprite (including Sonic's, Tails', Wario's, Peach's, Sora's, Megaman's, and BM's for that matter) could get a resprite or at least a "recoloring" like what the Anime characters got.

As for pitch shifting, I heard AS3 is capable of doing that, so it's just a matter of time they'll add that to the game.

Ichigo got a touch up on his resprite along with a recolor. If Llyod gets a recolor/resprite his coat should be dark red.

Why would it be dark Red? He's never worn dark Red.
In ToS it's a lighter red along with the Anime, ToS2's colors made everything look dark.

They could do this like with Goku getting a recolor exclusive for SSF2

Except his recolor was similar to his games.

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Features that I would like to have in SSF2

1. Stage Builder
2. Changeable Music Tracks
3. Better Palette Swaps

The problem with the palette swaps in SSF2 v0.9b they are really awkward and don't make much sense. Why could'nt the use the alternate costumes from Super Smash Bros. Brawl?


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