All of the stupid people who just make wild assumptions think that bayonetta is going to be OP. I think I am the only person that doesn't think that she is going to be OP at all really.

Every character trailer/presentation has made a character look much better than they end up being, for promotion sake.

Her combos take forever to start up, and have severe ending lag. She won't be OP.

Exactly thank you. I wouldn't say forever but sakurai did say that her moves do have start up to them her down b I also don't think is OP because the more you use it the less it slows down time and it also doesn't do damage either. I still can see her to be a great character as well as being a badass witch.

She'll be very easy to punish. Even if you end up getting caught into a combo, if it's low enough percent she just falls after the combo's over so punish afterwards.

we don't really know for certain
it doesn't matter how much endlag she has if she successfully hits you far enough so that you won't be near her when she lands

If only her up-b had kill power...

i'm sure she won't need it to kill, if anything it's a good thing it doesn't so that it doesn't break combos using it.

Gonna be that guy and say I think the trailers for the characters showcased their strengths and weaknesses pretty well.

'cept for Mewtwo ofc all they did was show him beasting but we know how that launch went

Yeah we were hyped for mewtwo because we were hoping that it would be better then how it was in melee. Unfortunately that didn't turn out.

I mean he IS better than he was in melee, by miles especially after this latest patch.

i dunno if i'd consider him better, he's such a weird case lol

he's bad in Melee especially when compared to the top tiers. he's more solid as a Smash 4 character than a Melee character, but comparing the two directly? i'd say Melee Mewtwo is better. wavedashes and dash-dances were good for Melee Mewtwo, and so were chaingrabs

http://www.ssbwiki.com/Mewtwo_(SSB4)#Changes_from_Melee
From this, I would agree Mewtwo is kinda on par with his Melee incarnation, but still worse overall in smash 4.

Hardly any combos, no good approach and less survivibility thanks to the rage mechanic.

Though good thing it got some good buffs.

Edit:
Wow characters with disjointed hitboxes were buffed this patch. Yeah they're buffing greninja, now I have more trouble to deal with, thanks to a player at my school that uses him. Well at least I am getting experience.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/1.1.3

It's really depressing how bad Mewtwo is in Smash 4, especially after Melee.

Bayonetta will probably be mid to low-mid tier. Sure she has combos, and Fox lasers, but by the looks of it she has poor frame data, and she will just get destroyed by the top tiers.

I reckon Corrin will be above Ike on the tier list. He's fast, has a disjoint and a projectile, and ridiculous range on some attacks. He looks fairly solid as well, but not OP

Bro would you just wait for the bloody character to be out first lol.

I agree.

Also why would you reckon Corrin be above Ike on the tier list because of that?

A tier list most likely won't come out until all the DLC characters are released and another problem is the balancing patches.