The McLeodGaming forums were permanently closed on April 30th, 2020. You are currently viewing a read-only archive.
View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Fri May 15, 2020 6:14 am



 [ 339 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23  Next
X Tournament Series: The Meta Thread 
Author Message
BR Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 5:21 pm
Posts: 2198
Location: in your heart, and your archives
Country: Antarctica (aq)
Gender: N/A
MGN Username: Doq
Skype: Discord my guy.
Currently Playing: one of thousands of variations of Solitaire
Waifu: Es
tson wrote:
The idea of conditional counterpicks is not a bad one. In fact I quite like your list. My problem mostly lies in the fact that the "conditional counterpicks" fall into the category of being, to put it nicely, actual counterpicks - meaning they have a decent effect on the playstyles of some characters. The fact that the regular counterpicks are big versions of neutrals will mean that only one true counterpick will be even considered per match. Which is kinda cancer.

It's only as cancer as the people who only play on one high plat two low side plats stages and Smashville.

But seriously. The reason why the stage list is like it is now is because of player feedback. While a lot of player feedback is indeed bias, some of it makes sense. And by some I mean none of it because I can't piece player feedback together for crap.

Although these points I may consider reworking the stage list... and introduce some even more controversially banned stages.

and
tson wrote:
as other TO's look at X as the standard.

I'm pretty sure that goes to Smash Island. The X Tournament Series has too many unorthodox aspects for it to be "the standard".


totally f*** the grammar in this post

----

e~ In other news, Brawl Minus is a thing this season.

_________________
this post is an enigma. a dream.


Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:02 am
YIM WWW
BR Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:36 pm
Posts: 1222
Location: The wonderful world of... someplace that isn't on fire.
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: Dark Ermac
Skype: dark_ermac
Lord doughnut wrote:
Hata no Kokoro wrote:
That's a load of s***.

The reason why the stagelist is even there is to choose them. In optimal tournament play, there would be legitimate counterpicks based on the matchup at hand, not based on lag.

I mean, if I presented this as the stagelist:

Starter:
- Smashville

Counterpick:
- Tower of Salvation
- Dreamland

I'd get shat on for such a conservative list. That's why Conditional Counterpicks exist. Conditional Counterpicks are counterpick-viable stages that aren't on the main list for a number of reasons (controversial placement, lack of usage, lag?), but are available to to the players nonetheless.

I have also thought about implementing a rule to supersede DSR.... I think most people can guess its purpose.

I guess you are missing the point or forgetting that tournaments take place online where lag is a big factor.

I would have no problem not picking SV or ToS if it weren't for online.

Also it's not a load of s*** when we have players like you and Ermac complaining about SV because you guys lose on it a lot.

Also please get someone else to commentate.


SV is actually a good Samus stage. However, I have something of a personal vendetta against the stage due to its omnipresence in every single game since its introduction. Look at any given tournament and you'll see that 99% of matches are played on SV. Everyone puts that stage on a pedestal claiming it to be the most fair and balanced stage in Smash Bros., yet there are some characters who benefit heavily from it. But none of that matters because this misinformation is so widespread and so ingrained into peoples' minds that they are more than willing to march to slaughter against those who use this trend to their advantage. I want to open peoples' eyes a bit and make them realize that the other stages in smash actually do exist. Also, to make the game more interesting by not making the game appear as a s*** version of smuh-forsche, because right now most people see the game as a slightly faster version of that game, thus making it completely unappealing and pointless to them.

_________________
Image
Swinging a chain, swinging a chain...


Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:42 pm
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:01 am
Posts: 865
Country: Chile (cl)
Gender: Female
MGN Username: 194
Currently Playing: most likely Celeste
Waifu: Curly Brace
As much as people cannot accept it, the most balanced stage in any smash game is, by design, Battlefield. Final Destination is clearly unbalanced (you could even make a case for FD counterpick in Melee, for instance). And as such, the closer your stage is to FD, the less balanced it is. Smashville is closer to FD than to BF, and, as such, it cannot be properly balanced. Similarly, Hazardless Pokemon Stadium is not a super-balanced stage either.

_________________
Image

Avatar and signature pics by Semicolon.


Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:50 pm
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:29 pm
Posts: 4539
Location: U.S.
Gender: Male
Currently Playing: SSF2, SSB, SSBM
0xC2 wrote:
As much as people cannot accept it, the most balanced stage in any smash game is, by design, Battlefield. Final Destination is clearly unbalanced (you could even make a case for FD counterpick in Melee, for instance). And as such, the closer your stage is to FD, the less balanced it is. Smashville is closer to FD than to BF, and, as such, it cannot be properly balanced. Similarly, Hazardless Pokemon Stadium is not a super-balanced stage either.

Though characters who have disjointed range have more of an advantaged on BF in this game then in any of the main smash games from what I experienced.

@Ermac
It's just a loved stage, even professionals who play Smash 4, PM and Brawl agree that its a loved stage.

I also love playing on other stages like SSZ, DL, CS, BF, YS, 3DS, PS3(going to be PC), DC and even FD.

However, like I said above, when it comes to connection, stages like SV and ToS hardly lag. The only time I lag on those stages is when it comes to interference or my opponent has a potato for a computer.

I would love to play on YS, DL, FD, PS3, DC without lag. Dream land hardly lags, which I consider good.

When it comes to FD, their is only a rare case where the lag isn't effecting the match. The Same with PS3 and YS.

Sometimes I don't want to play on BF due to lag or I will give myself to much of an advantage.

_________________
Image


Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:39 pm
WWW

Joined: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:46 pm
Posts: 1514
Location: Westchester, New York
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: Zalozis Zemsis
Skype: ZaloZemsis
Currently Playing: Gundam Wing: Endless Dual | Melty Blood: Actress Again Current Code | Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Don't worry, guys. Now that Smashville has the possibility of spawning a rain effect, potato-computer players will never pick it; it'll be only ToS over and over every match.

Lord doughnut wrote:
Though characters who have disjointed range have more of an advantaged on BF in this game then in any of the main smash games from what I experienced.
Truth, and most of those characters are in the top-10. I've always wonder why BF starter when it favors top-tiers and Dreamland is the one that's counter-pick. Would it not help weaker character if they had Dreamland to choose from at the start. That's one more start in a low-tier mains favor to potentially take the first match.

_________________

Luigi Movement, Cancel, Tech, etc.
YouTube Video:
SSF2 Google Drive
". . . Emphasis . . . of players helping one-another"


Last edited by Z A L O on Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.



Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:06 pm
WWW
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:19 pm
Posts: 1422
Location: Canada
Country: Canada (ca)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: ShadowAssasin2600
Skype: chaoticshadow50
Zalozis wrote:
Don't worry, guys. Now that Smashville has the possibility of spawning a rain effect, potato-computer players will never pick; it'll be only ToS over and over every match.

Lord doughnut wrote:
Though characters who have disjointed range have more of an advantaged on BF in this game then in any of the main smash games from what I experienced.
Truth, and most of those characters are in the top-10. I've always wonder why BF starter when it favors top-tiers and Dreamland is the one that's counter-pick. Would it not help weaker character if they had Dreamland to choose from at the start. That's one more start in a low-tier mains favor to potentially take the first match.


With your first quote, I don't think that will happen. Because devs said that it will mostly rain in the morning (not saying it won't rain in the afternoon, but it will rarely rain at that time probs), plus the devs might have a "remove extra animation" button so that everybody can play on SV. Also, if not, then LagVille confirmed.

_________________
Mains
Image and Image


Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:15 pm
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:32 pm
Posts: 496
Location: California
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Anime Girl
MGN Username: WRXJoey
Currently Playing: osu!
Waifu: yes
i welcome our new lagville overlords tbh

_________________


Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:50 pm
WWW
BR Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 5:21 pm
Posts: 2198
Location: in your heart, and your archives
Country: Antarctica (aq)
Gender: N/A
MGN Username: Doq
Skype: Discord my guy.
Currently Playing: one of thousands of variations of Solitaire
Waifu: Es
To those who wonder, yes, I abandoned Seiran.

Seiran is the second worst tournament I have run to date (the other being Satori, and it actually ended sort of well), and probably the most stress inducing. There was so much player... "feedback"... to say the least that I must now revisit a lot of things regarding the Series.

    Big things:
  • Stagelist is reverted to 2015 season, with Dracula's Castle removed. The new stagelist didn't go well, at all.
  • Removed all streaming rules, because players are incompetent enough to save replays for anything. morons
    That said, I am incentivizing replays: For every complete set saved by a player, they move up one entire seed in the next event, effective now.
    Small things:
  • I am considering scrapping XSSv3 as method of seeding in favor of FCR. This isn't official yet, stay tuned.

It really bothers me that this event, the main event, is getting beat in terms of success by BRAWL f*** MINUS.

This community is comprised of wannabe professionals who expect everything handed to them on a silver platter. I'm genuinely disappointed in the direction the masses have gone. If Youmu is as bad as Seiran was I'm done. I'm hanging up the towel.

See you all next month.

_________________
this post is an enigma. a dream.


Last edited by Doq on Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.



Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:33 pm
YIM WWW
BR Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:36 pm
Posts: 1222
Location: The wonderful world of... someplace that isn't on fire.
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: Dark Ermac
Skype: dark_ermac
You should make Cirno the 9th X tournament, because overused meme.

_________________
Image
Swinging a chain, swinging a chain...


Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:41 pm
BR Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 5:21 pm
Posts: 2198
Location: in your heart, and your archives
Country: Antarctica (aq)
Gender: N/A
MGN Username: Doq
Skype: Discord my guy.
Currently Playing: one of thousands of variations of Solitaire
Waifu: Es
Dark Ermac wrote:
You should make Cirno the 9th X tournament, because overused meme.

Goddamnit random.org why didn't you do this.

actually... brb switching

_________________
this post is an enigma. a dream.


Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:49 pm
YIM WWW
BR Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 5:21 pm
Posts: 2198
Location: in your heart, and your archives
Country: Antarctica (aq)
Gender: N/A
MGN Username: Doq
Skype: Discord my guy.
Currently Playing: one of thousands of variations of Solitaire
Waifu: Es
Please provide feedback. This directly affects the next event:
http://strawpoll.me/6807799

_________________
this post is an enigma. a dream.


Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:07 pm
YIM WWW
BR Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:36 pm
Posts: 1222
Location: The wonderful world of... someplace that isn't on fire.
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: Dark Ermac
Skype: dark_ermac
I voted on 50 ping. I'm assuming this is not a representation of the p2p connection, but a speedtest-related thing (so general internet connectivity). Since, well, EC-WC is like, 60-70 ping? or something like that. I don't know, it's been a while since I've been on pj64k, which I use as a measuring stick for these things.

_________________
Image
Swinging a chain, swinging a chain...


Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:48 pm
BR Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 5:21 pm
Posts: 2198
Location: in your heart, and your archives
Country: Antarctica (aq)
Gender: N/A
MGN Username: Doq
Skype: Discord my guy.
Currently Playing: one of thousands of variations of Solitaire
Waifu: Es
Call to Action: Make the X Tournament Series the Premier SSF2 Series Once More!
Remember back in about 2014 when I first made the X Tournament Series? It revolutionized the concept of an organized tournament series. And because of that, it had a successful 2015 season.

Since the end of Ringo, the Series has kinda fallen off the cliff. I don't know why. That's why I'm calling on the community. There are a few things that the X Tournament Series hasn't solved in yet another major community change.

What am I doing wrong?

_________________
this post is an enigma. a dream.


Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:32 pm
YIM WWW
BR Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 5:21 pm
Posts: 2198
Location: in your heart, and your archives
Country: Antarctica (aq)
Gender: N/A
MGN Username: Doq
Skype: Discord my guy.
Currently Playing: one of thousands of variations of Solitaire
Waifu: Es
Please provide feedback. This directly affects the next event:
http://strawpoll.me/7036232


http://hastebin.com/obuliqifuh

_________________
this post is an enigma. a dream.


Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:30 am
YIM WWW
BR Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:36 pm
Posts: 1222
Location: The wonderful world of... someplace that isn't on fire.
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: Dark Ermac
Skype: dark_ermac
Doqtor Kirby wrote:
Call to Action: Make the X Tournament Series the Premier SSF2 Series Once More!
Remember back in about 2014 when I first made the X Tournament Series? It revolutionized the concept of an organized tournament series. And because of that, it had a successful 2015 season.

Since the end of Ringo, the Series has kinda fallen off the cliff. I don't know why. That's why I'm calling on the community. There are a few things that the X Tournament Series hasn't solved in yet another major community change.

What am I doing wrong?


The tournament's reputation has declined after the fiasco of X2:I. There's no doubt to anyone here that that was perhaps the worst possible scenario that has ever happened at a SSF2 tournament to date. In general, it's no stretch to see that a TO who imposes severe restrictions or otherwise makes "unfair" rulings tends to act as a repelling agent for those who just want to compete without encountering any drama. Not to say that you are either of those things, of course, because otherwise X would've completely crashed and burned a la Hypest. However, that one nullification of an entire Bo5 set in Winners Top 8 elicited the above-mentioned notions of restrictiveness and unfairness so strongly that it created the resulting s***. Right now, the attendance has dropped because the players are a bit weary of X right now, especially because there are so many other options for tournaments available to most players that they may not feel like risking it if they believe it has a chance of happening again. However, as long as things run smoothly from here on out, things will return back to normalcy. It will take some time, but eventually players will realize that X is here to stay. You just have to bear with it and wait it out for now.

Also, I'd recommend taking one ruleset and sticking with it. Nothing kills tournament interest amongst new players as much as rule confusion. Remember that 99% of new players do not bother reading the rules in the first place, so flipping everything on its head every month is a good way to further add to their confusion and your own frustration. After X III, I would recommend that you refrain from changing your rules any further for at least 4-5 tournaments, UNLESS there is something very important that needs to be patched to prevent players from exploiting them.

_________________
Image
Swinging a chain, swinging a chain...


Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:36 pm
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
 [ 339 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Designed by ST Software for PTF.