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Sure it would, 99% of assholes, idiots, and genocide would vanish.

I have serious doubts about that.
Infact, I don't believe any of those would vanish.

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Not completely, but until the remaining assholes find other reasons to spread, there'd be a period of peace.

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Not completely, but until the remaining assholes find other reasons to spread, there'd be a period of peace.

Maybe, but I still have my doubts.

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Well religion gave people morals, if it wasn't for religion, what would the murder rate be? It wouldn't be morally wrong to kill someone (basically look at what I said about agnosticism vs. atheism). Also, religious groups set up Anglicare, St. Vincent de Paul's and stuff like that because fo their religion. Same with the doll, the idea was developed by Christians, people who did it for religion. We have historical sources saying that during times of bubonic plague, the Christians stayed to help the sick while others ran away trying to save themselves. Basically religion has given people reason to help others

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Well religion gave people morals, if it wasn't for religion, what would the murder rate be? It wouldn't be morally wrong to kill someone (basically look at what I said about agnosticism vs. atheism). Also, religious groups set up Anglicare, St. Vincent de Paul's and stuff like that because fo their religion. Same with the doll, the idea was developed by Christians, people who did it for religion. We have historical sources saying that during times of bubonic plague, the Christians stayed to help the sick while others ran away trying to save themselves. Basically religion has given people reason to help others

Morals are within the subconscious of most people. Religion has only bolstered it, not created it.
Besides, it's probably impossible for a large amount of people to exist without them forming some kind of group.


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Ah yes, but what is the Subconscious? is it a way to escape reality? or is it something more?

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|~DVDV~| wrote:
Well religion gave people morals, if it wasn't for religion, what would the murder rate be? It wouldn't be morally wrong to kill someone (basically look at what I said about agnosticism vs. atheism). Also, religious groups set up Anglicare, St. Vincent de Paul's and stuff like that because fo their religion. Same with the doll, the idea was developed by Christians, people who did it for religion. We have historical sources saying that during times of bubonic plague, the Christians stayed to help the sick while others ran away trying to save themselves. Basically religion has given people reason to help others

Morals are within the subconscious of most people. Religion has only bolstered it, not created it.
Besides, it's probably impossible for a large amount of people to exist without them forming some kind of group.

I dunno if people would actually pay attention to those moral standards and more for their own desires.

Just my 2 cents on this.
But I'd rather not get into a huge debate about Religion vs. Atheism and what not.

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|~DVDV~| wrote:
Well religion gave people morals, if it wasn't for religion, what would the murder rate be? It wouldn't be morally wrong to kill someone (basically look at what I said about agnosticism vs. atheism). Also, religious groups set up Anglicare, St. Vincent de Paul's and stuff like that because fo their religion. Same with the doll, the idea was developed by Christians, people who did it for religion. We have historical sources saying that during times of bubonic plague, the Christians stayed to help the sick while others ran away trying to save themselves. Basically religion has given people reason to help others

Morals are within the subconscious of most people. Religion has only bolstered it, not created it.
Besides, it's probably impossible for a large amount of people to exist without them forming some kind of group.

But they are based on external influences. Religion is a prime influence, not necessarily a direct one in all cases, but definitely an indirect one. I strongly doubt that you would have the same moral standing if you had a Muslim upbringing, (don't try to tell me that you'd change religions, you probably wouldn't) or a Buddhist one or whatever.

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Morals are within the subconscious of most people. Religion has only bolstered it, not created it.
Besides, it's probably impossible for a large amount of people to exist without them forming some kind of group.

I dunno if people would actually pay attention to those moral standards and more for their own desires.
Just my 2 cents on this.
But I'd rather not get into a huge debate about Religion vs. Atheism and what not.


Well I think it's a good start that we've actually had intelligent debate without someone coming in and saying something like 'All Christians are brainwashed, gullible idiots' or 'Atheists need to have a closer look at the world around them' or something like that

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True, True.
It's nice having some educated people in this topic, I just don't want this to get super-heated.

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Ah yes, but what is the Subconscious? is it a way to escape reality? or is it something more?


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True, True.
It's nice having some educated people in this topic, I just don't want this to get super-heated.


Seconded

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I am christian. In most cases I believe that being emo is a state when someone has no one to turn to for help, having a religion gives hope as well as happiness. Atheists think nothing comes from religion, but if anything, religion gives you a reason to get up in the morning and not look down at the world, even you realize that (I hope).

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Ah yes, but what is the Subconscious? is it a way to escape reality? or is it something more?

... The subconscious is something that is not a conscious action or bit of knowledge. As in you never think about it, you just think/do it

Phratt Jr: Even when I believed in God, I had almost no faith at all in humanity or the world itself. I always thought that life only had meaning because some guy in space felt like giving it to me, and could have just as easily made me completely different or just made someone else instead.

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Captain Blueballs wrote:
Chernobog wrote:
Ah yes, but what is the Subconscious? is it a way to escape reality? or is it something more?

Phratt Jr: Even when I believed in God, I had almost no faith at all in humanity or the world itself. I always thought that life only had meaning because some guy in space felt like giving it to me, and could have just as easily made me completely different or just made someone else instead.
But when you believed in God did you ever think that there was a reason he made you, why he put you on this Earth, he made you the way you are for he wanted you to fulfill your destiny and you couldn't do this if you were another person or looked any different, its just you have to find that destiny.

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The way I've been raised since I was born, no thoughts to change anytime soon.

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Captain Blueballs wrote:
Chernobog wrote:
Ah yes, but what is the Subconscious? is it a way to escape reality? or is it something more?

... The subconscious is something that is not a conscious action or bit of knowledge. As in you never think about it, you just think/do it

Phratt Jr: Even when I believed in God, I had almost no faith at all in humanity or the world itself. I always thought that life only had meaning because some guy in space felt like giving it to me, and could have just as easily made me completely different or just made someone else instead.

I've never had much faith in humanity or the world itself, look around, there are wars, poverty, rape, murder, and none of it will change soon and in fact, I don't think it will change ever

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