Also, i've had enough of these kills with no role reveal. That's two already. We don't know if mafia has access to information regarding those roles or not, which is a problem.

No, that was me.

~~~why~~~

i think that's the second time you've gotten in the way of an investigation dude, come on lol

Because I was protecting a town read from potential scum action. Sure, I could have played it safe by redirecting him to myself, but you already know how good that went.

welp, now that's the second day my ability was rendered useless. either way, still have to be productive.

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Half of the people listed here are scum assuming there are four people on the mafia team. Since we have no investigations to go off of, we should start the day off with reads on all eight i think. Also, pick your top four potential scum choices. I'll have mine up in a bit.

OK, now we are going to elaborate a bit more.

First, the fact that 135 was confirmed to be a naïve cop reveals that something EXTREMELY ODD happened during Night 1.
According to this, two roleblockers roleblocked a naïve cop at the same time, and the naïve cop not only got a result on his target, but he also got a GUILTY result, which directly conflicts to his sanity.

I'm going to directly state that Lucina's result confirms the presence of a framer. However, there's something odd here if there IS a framer: 135's results are basically useless! If he targets Mafia, he's not going to get any guilty because he's naïve, and if this framer has priority on the result, then any possible guilty result would have come from Town players. Being naïve is already a huge limitant to a cop, so the fact that there's a framer could hint the existance of a THIRD investigative role. Or, it was given to the Mafia as a distraction.


Now, about the whole "how did 135 get that result" issue. Using Brik's post as a base and the knowledge we got so far, I'm going to narrow down the possibilities.



135's role has no statements about inmunity to roleblockers, so now we can take this one out.



This one still holds a bit of water, I'm not going to rule it out completely.


As stated multiple times, I didn't use my ability in Night 1, and we have no other claimed busdrivers.


Already proven false.


Possible.

We have basically narrowed it down to two possibilities. So again, quoting Brik:


Axel, I need you to state your actions in Night 3. And Night 2, for that matter. Mainly, because I'm going to use this:



We can end up wrapping this whole issue with a setup tactic:
-135 tries to investigate X
-X is framed
-X is killed and flips town when 135 states scum
-Axel and Shoop jump on the wagon and state to have roleblocked 135.
-Town goes "omg scum lynch pls". You know the rest.

I'll assume Brik's silence (he was lurking around here) means he's ok with my interpretation of his post.

I do agree, though my silence was more indicative of my browsing on my phone and mulling the situation over. ; )

I still have to wrap my brain around all the puzzle pieces, but afterwards I'll try and put a post together.

Now, given your silence, I'm going to formally state a case against Axel.

Let's start with this fact: At Day 3, Jul 12th, Axel posts the following:


That's the whole motor of 135's lynch and, as you can notice, it "pings his scumdar". However, if Axel was ever reading the game, it shouldn't have surprised him at all. Because in Day 2, we got this from Shoop:



Shoop's post is dated Jun 24th, in Day 2. Axel didn't vote 135 until Jul 2nd, and once a deadline has already been established.
If Axel was sure of Lucina's alignment before, why didn't he push for 135's lynch inmediatly and rather, decided to let Lucina die?
Also, why did he need to state he had jailkept 135 Night 1 if he had already been roleblocked by Shoop?

Second, notice how, in Day 1 (Jun 02) Axel's reads were as follows:



Meaning, he had Lucina as null. Lucina's play didn't change much in the meantime, so, what triggered this change?

A quick check over Axel's reads hin how volatile they tend to be. Once he got the whole "Lucina is town I swear it" out of thin air, he went nuts over everyone defending 135 (myself included with the redirection Night 2). I'm noticing a trend here.

Finally, we have the fact that Axel isn't surprised at Kyuubit. According to his own description, Axel's ability protects his target from any other ability. However, it appears than Kyuubit was a tracker back then (because Kyuubit was the one first asking 135 directly for any kind of night action). Why didn't Axel conclude Kyuubit's slot (right now used by Cactus) was probably lying? Was he focused on getting 135 first?

OH, btw, Shoop's role description pretty much confirms Walter White as Mafia. Just saying.

Not really. The show just has a crazy dynamic.

Though in this limited response i will say that i agree, i think you're onto something here.

Another fact that just jumped onto my mind: Neither Lucina (Axel's strongest town read) nor 135 (Axel's strongest scum read) were targetted by him in Night 2. We know it because Lucina died and I could bus 135 to myself with no problem. Any of those are reasonable picks for a jailkeeper (picking his town read prevents a kill and picking his scum read blocks potential scum action). Did Axel need Lucina's death? Was jailkeeping 135 too risky, knowing that most spotlights were going to be on him?

Well, I'm still for Walt being town.

I mean, if you look at Skinny Pete's description when he died:

this can confirm that Walt is town because he is working with other town-alignment characters.

Also, if you did research on Skylar, you will eventually find out that she did figure out what Walt was doing in season 3 (sorry if I was supposed to spoiler this thing). What happens is that she actually starts helping out Walter do his criminal activities eventually. So, because Skylar was town-aligned and was helping Walt in his activities, we can assume that Walt is town-aligned. Not to mention the "Why would you kill your own wife" argument I made in Day 3.

I think a Axel/Pachino Scum buddy may be in play here, since my ability told me Axel visited Pachino last night, and both of them are very scummy and argumentative(Axel) and silent(Pachino) both of them could very well be working together.