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MG Mafia XVII: JoJo's Bizarre Mafia (Fin) 

Who should host next game?
Poll ended at Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:48 pm
CXCIV - Turnabout Mafia (Ace Attorney) 63%  63%  [ 12 ]
Terra - All-stars 2 (Roles based on previous mafia game roles) 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
TheOneWhoKnocks - DotA-themed Mafia (Roles based on heroes from the games) 16%  16%  [ 3 ]
Axel - Kibgdom Hearts Mafia (uPick setup) 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 19

MG Mafia XVII: JoJo's Bizarre Mafia (Fin) 
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asdf. Looks like I'm just too damn busy. Sorry.

I'll request a replacement. (Dear god this is pretty ironic)

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:56 pm
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:12 pm
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I did say that I was going to do this possibly yesterday, but I was busy.
Brikanorak wrote:
Thank you, Ermac.

Terra wrote:
By aggressive, I meant playing around with no reasons at all[.]
While I'm hesitant to start a battle of semantics, at the same time this is so far out of whack that I can't let it slide. Terra, do you seriously define agression as "playing around with no reason at all"? Because last time I checked, neither you nor I nor anyone else I know subscribes to such a definition. I have done my fair share of "playing around with no reason at all" and I am fairly certain that no one would label that style as aggressive. Sporadic, maybe, but not aggresive.

Furthermore, can I remind everyone that you made this read based on two posts? Specifically, the guy in question's first two posts in the random voting stage?

As a quick refresher, these are the posts on which you based this read:
TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
Vote: Deciton
TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
And why is that?
This is not aggression. This a random vote and a clarifying question to scout out a potential oppening for investigation. If anything, this could be described as careful play. Where is the aggression? For that matter, where is the "playing around with no reason at all? I see neither, and would most appreciate you enlightening me.

TheOneWhoKnocks had posted a total of six words when you gave your read on him. In what way did he structure his posts so as to give off a town impression? I would be much obliged if you could explain - in great detail, mind - how you pulled this:
Terra wrote:
What I meant when I said TOWK is probtown was that his posts felt, at least to me, that they had some resemblance to town intent, which is to:
Produce information.
Discern other alignments.
And consequently to help others discern your own alignment.

From the way his posts are structured, he seemed to me as if he wanted to go for pressure, which is what he usually goes for in earlygame as town in other to gather reactions.
from six words.

Terra wrote:
For those of you curious on my Genis read, I find it very weird that he chooses not to offer his thoughts on the situation after DJ has stated his suspicion of myself and Reven.
It's really the same with Ermac: I feel that he hasn't made his thoughts on this situation, though we're already out of RVS.
I don't like this either. Geno and Cactus have yet to say anything on the matter. Why did you single out Genis and Ermac? Also, why is Reven more scummy than 194?


GAH, ninjaed again.


I made this read mostly based on gut: however, I sincerely believed that TOWK's vote on Deciton was definitely not random, and was meant for pressure purposes, as I think he felt at that time that Deciton was scummy, and used his vote as a result of that. TOWK did not use reason in his post where he tried to put pressure on Deciton, which is what I meant.
In my opinion, aggression in mafia is pushing on people, often without reasoning. This can be done through voting, and/or asking questions, which is what TOWK was doing. I thought of it that way in comparison to the more random voting of other people, which does not draw as many reactions.

The difference was that Genis and Ermac had posted, and that Geno and Cactus had not: in my opinion, people who do not post at all and say they're busy should be left as null until the lurking gets out of hand. Active Lurking, on the other hand, is when people post useless things, which has the unconscious effect of activity but really does nothing.

I felt that Reven was not looking for scum, and was more looking for info. Information Instead of Analysis is quite a strong scumtell.

iirc DJ asked the question that where did Arthur go. Main reason for doing that was to gather reactions from Arthur, as he was a flat null for me.

Gonna get a reads list up, but I can't promise today: tomorrow it will be if I can't do it today.

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Honestly I was trying to get us to talk third party likelihood, but I think with the amount of possible roles, actually figuring out anything will be impossible by outside analysis. Though I did get scum reads on Ermac posting more than just possible mafia/third party roles from season one. Trying to discuss town roles with your pals?

Also, Arthur, indifference at this point doesn't help the town, since active discussion is going on. Brik's points are valid enough to vote: King Arthur. I honestly don't see why he didn't vote you himself.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:32 pm
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DJ Wizard Cop wrote:
@194: When would you have preferred me to tell you guys the information? When is "a point where I could use it carefully"?
Why is this point better than the point I chose? Why is bringing attention to myself bad?
If you'd rather save it for a point when you can use it carefully, how can you guarantee that I'd be able to tell you?

I'd like you to address these too, if you'd be so kind.

Looking forward to the opinions of Dark Ermac and Dr. Geno :)


Sadly, I don't have answers to all of those questions. However, bringing attention towards oneself is something I've considered inherently scum in Day 1. Mainly, because the mere feel of a "lead" in Day 1 will indeed conduct the day towards any direction it gives, ocassionally disturbing us from the actual truth. It has become even more accentuate after the happenings in Breaking Bad Mafia, where the weird sense of directionlessness, coupled with the weirdest Night 1 in the history of Mafia, set up the road for a Mafia victory.

As such, and since you are the most prominent town read for most people here, at this point you can control the actions in the following days. If you are town, good for us, as you will be the leader for the town's victory. If you are not, however, we are already losing.

That's all.

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Genis has been replaced by Vanellope.

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Speedwagon's Patented Vote Counting Machine

1. TheOneWhoKnocks -
2. Dephius -
3. Dr.Geno -
4. CXCIV -
5. Mr. Shoop -
6. Vanellope -
7. Deciton_Reven -
8. Terra - DJ Wizard Cop, Brikanorak, TheOneWhoKnocks, Dephius (L-4)
9. Brikanorak -
10. Dark Ermac -
11. Pach -
12. King Arthur - Terra, Deciton_Reven
13. DJ Wizard Cop -
14. Cactus -

Not currently voting: Dr.Geno, CXCIV, Mr. Shoop, Vanellope, Dark Ermac, Pach, King Arthur, Cactus

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch!

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:27 pm
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:35 pm
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Making a statement:

Ermac (I think that's who did it, being the possible role list) - your role prediction of mine is relatively spot on. Good research.

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TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
Welp that did nothing. Back to Vote: Terra
I know that Terra lurks while under pressure as mafia, he did it in SSBMafia


I was watching that, you're right here.

A few quicky reads:
1. TheOneWhoKnocks - Not being aggressive, as Terra stated. Seems to be playing normal TOWK. Verdict: Likely Town
2. Dephius - Haven't paid to much attention to his posts. Analyzing them now. Verdict: Null.
3. Dr.Geno - Hasn't said anything yet. Null.
4. CXCIV - just gonna call you 194. Hasn't said TOO much, but what he has said is town-helpful. Verdict: Null-town.
5. Mr. Shoop - Defense of Terra, saying it was an honest mistake. I myself don't believe it was an mistake. Null-scum.
6. Genis/Vanellope - Wait.... That's me! Town.
7. Deciton_Reven - Haven't analyzed you either. Null.
8. Terra - Several "cowering" parts, made a mistake (possible scumslip). Verdict: Sadly, likely scum.
9. Brikanorak - Just gonna call you Brik. Very towny so far. Verdict: Likely Town.
10. Dark Ermac - well done on te research. Very helpful. Verdict: Likely Town.
11. Pach - Pachino??? Hasn't said much. Null.
12. King Arthur - Hasn't said much, but he's always town and is usually Killed N1 (lol). Null
13. DJ Wizard Cop - Very towny. Almost positive you are town. Verdict: town.
14. Cactus - Nothing from you yet. Null.

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If you're voting me merely because I'm Axel, then I think that's just a tad bit prejiduced.

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I would be preparing another reads list right now, but I just have to point out something.

If Axel is scum, Ermac is very likely scum. The third member I can't feel yet, but I know it'll come soon.

Axel jumping on my bandwagon very early without voting for me shows signs of noobscum imo: for one, extreme caution, which is atypical of scum(scum wincon is inherently more defensive than own etc.), even more caution is exhibited when Axel did not vote for me, in fear of appearing that he might have wanted to join the bandwagon.

Then again this is Axel so I'll just look back at past games and see what goes.

Vote stays on Arthur.

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