How To Shine
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Some Fox mains tend to multishine at times in battle either if it's for pressurizing your opponents.

Some of them tend of tap their down button, b button, and tap jump all at the same time.

There's an easier way.

You hold down the down button (I use a keyboard btw), then you tap jump and press down b at the same time, quickly.

I'm certain that Pro Fox Mains know this but hey, the more you know.

It doesn't specifically use tap jump.

this works because of a buffer. No idea how large SSF2's buffer is. probably 10 frames because sm4sh and brawl have that.

SSF2's "buffer" is not like the other smash games. You can't pre-input moves 10 frames in advance and have it come out on the first possible frame. In SSF2, if you pre-hold a bufferable action, THEN it will come out on the first possible frame. Most moves can be buffered in this fashion. So what happens here is during jumpsquat the player holds down+B, so they are buffering. Then, on the first frame possible (the first frame airborne), they will shine.

I might just make a video explaining how buffering works in SSF2.

I'll be looking forward to that.

Fox's up smash uncharged and fully charged kill percents (represented by fully charged%/uncharged%) on , , and . These percents represent my results in training mode on the Pokemon Stadium 3 stage with the CPU set to idle. I am aware that there are two strong hitboxes on Fox's up smash that differ in damage by one percent, I will be using the 32%/17% hitbox, not the 31%/16% one.
13%/65%
29%/95%
39%/114%

The moral of this post is don't miss a rest.

Right now I'm in the middle of testing out at how high of a percent Fox can Upthrow-Upair all characters with a buffered jump (not including DJ, DJ extends the percentage more, will test that later). Right now I'm doing it with the CPU set at jump at 1/2x and 1/4x speed. I don't know if Jump set CPU will jump out of hitstun as soon as possible tho'.

A CPU set to jump will literally mash jump so it should.

This is kinda embarrassing, but how do you JC utilt out of shine! I can do it OoS, but Shine is screwing me up.

You do it the same way. jump -> up tilt.

The way Agate told me to (much love Agate, lol) is to hold a specific direction while you Shine-Utilt, that'll make it easier to Utilt OoShine then just end up doing an UpAir OoShine.

I've been criticizing other people enough for their changelists, so let's do one of my own!

Buffs:

• Uthrow -> uair works on slightly more characters with slightly more lenient percentages.
• Dthrow goes slightly in front of Fox regardless of DI (e.g., angle tweaked). Does more damage.
• Walking speed improved.
• Fair has slightly more hitstun.
• Lasers reverted to Melee stats.
• Uair's KB base slightly reduced, and KB growth slightly increased (so it kills earlier and chains better at earlier percents, but very subtly)
• Jab's hitstun and KB increase faster.

Nerfs:

• Uthrow can be DI'd like a normal move. Note that in order for the previous buff to be in place this requires tweaking of the KB base and growth.
• Bair has more hitboxes: a strong initial one across his body, a semi-strong later hitbox near his feet, and a very weak hitbox right in the center of Fox's body. This has some benefits, but I'm calling it a nerf.
• Usmash's power slightly reduced.
• Firefox takes a few more frames to activate.
• Fox Illusion hitbox priority reduced, one frame added to startup.
• Dtilt range slightly reduced.
• Traction increased slightly.

Neutral:

• "Come on!" taunt added.

What are your thoughts?

Some of the nerfs you gave to Fox, already happened to the character.

I don't know anything about Beta, so this may reflect the character in Beta. If you're talking about v0.9a to v0.9b, I don't see how that has any bearing on what happens in Beta.

>.>

<.<

Ummm no one, but the devs know anything about Beta.

What I was getting at was why to keep giving the same nerfs he already received this demo and add them again to Beta.

It's not like they haven't told us anything about Beta, so I thought maybe someone who saw the APEX build or just looked very closely at the trailers would know.

What happened in v0.9a doesn't have any impact on what should be done now. Usmash is still a little too strong for my taste. I'd still appreciate a little bit of added walking speed, etc.