jigs is always bottom

sad

Lloyd is still a genuinely solid character in his own right, and everyone knows how strong & stupid he can be. The main problem with Lloyd is that he's so cookie-cutter to the point where it hurts. You usually see Lloyd as a counterpick character and not a go-to penultimate main, which not only does it hurt how the competitive scene sees him, but it stagnates his potential because there's little-to-no dedicated Lloyd main who's pushing Lloyd's potential as a fighter.

His combos are streamlined, but easy to deal with because they are so linear. There's no gimmick or catch to learning or mastering Lloyd because he's so linear. Some people will even go as far to call him a Marth with a projectile.
He feels like a crutch character. While he can deal with a lot of characters at low-to-mid level play, any competent tourney-goer or player knows how to deal with him at some point.

This is why i never bring up arguments for things. I mostly play against CPU's because of the terrible online.

I approve of this tier list.

EDIT: This tier list does not reflect the opinion of any member of TSF.

this tier list has to be a joke, right?

Luigi is absolutely not the best and definitely doesn't belong in his own tier.
Fox sucks
Sonic sucks
Kirby is not top 10
Sheik is Top 4
Bomberman is mid-low tier
GnW sucks
Bdee is eh
Mega Man is also eh
Peach is Top 4
Samus is great
Sandbag is probably low tier, but he's really weird so it's hard to tell
Falco is Top 4
why tf is sheilda below both zelda and sheik.
Pichu sucks
Sora is quite good
Pika is very good, definitely better than Pichu
Pit is very good
Goku sucks
Tails is quite good
Lloyd is great
Ness doesn't suck
Ichigo is great
ZSS is quite good
Chibi is very good
Naruto is quite good, definitely not the worst
And these are only the major issues


also hey look Happyfrozenfire is back, neat

gg what an educated and informative tier list that is the epitome of perfection, hands down the besr thing I've seen since i was born, and i used to be a man. Truly only the philosophical geniuses can interpret the sheer knowledge that went into it, it's not made out of a random generator at all. Truly enlightening, as it brightens one's own self awareness and mind to further boost their mental capability that is possible. Best tier list I've ever seen.

Could you please elaborate on that?

So, here's my tier list.



I hope you all like it, and feel free to give me a comment or a suggestion if I got something wrong. Also, @Lermonz, you make a good tier list.

Peach is a top tier, Luigi and Chibi should be at the top of A tier, Kirby should be bottom of B, ZSS should be in B tier, these are just some of the issues.

This is garbage.

Someone else can respond to this, I'm not dignifying it with an actual response.

Lloyd is bad, and i'm not referring the combo playstyle, he needs the tiger blade for finish combos, putting him at risk of gets helpless, also recovery sucks (his midair jump is low, so down b only works in mid off stage).

i don't even play ssf2 regularly and i can see that tier list is busted

Why can't you just respect other people's opinions then? Also...



I fixed these, but I didn't put Kirby at bottom of B-Tier, because he's still a great character to have a good time with overall.

....you know what, im not going to point anything out.


don't you know hff has the best tier list ever like omg man it enlightened my view on tier lists and expanded the horizon