The McLeodGaming forums were permanently closed on April 30th, 2020. You are currently viewing a read-only archive.
View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Thu May 14, 2020 4:24 pm



 [ 35 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Princess Zelda 
Author Message
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:32 am
Posts: 11709
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Anime Girl
Currently Playing: Undertale
Discuss Zelda specific game-play here.


Mon May 29, 2017 1:49 pm

Joined: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:46 pm
Posts: 1514
Location: Westchester, New York
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: Zalozis Zemsis
Skype: ZaloZemsis
Currently Playing: Gundam Wing: Endless Dual | Melty Blood: Actress Again Current Code | Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Still a freaking Guilty-Gear character. Don't like her Fast-fall speed being slower as it hurts her platform rushdown. But much of everything in her playstyle is in tact; frame-traps, combos, juggles, chain-grabs, reverse-hit setups to sweet-spots Kicks. Just all the stupid stullf like, free-recovering, easy setups to kill moves, safe Din's edgeguarding, Down-smash, being gone. So she isn't "pick-up, mash, win" anymore for lower-level play. I can play her very similar without much of a hitch, which I figured from watching Beta gameplay over the year.

EDIT: After, playing her more: her kill potential feels the same overall to, be honest. Her ability to approach to get in and use it is definitely worse though.

EDIT 2: So her full-jumps are higher too, but she doesn't reach the apex of jumps as soon as v0.9b, so she can't fast-fall at the rate she could before for movement. Bummer.

_________________

Luigi Movement, Cancel, Tech, etc.
YouTube Video:
SSF2 Google Drive
". . . Emphasis . . . of players helping one-another"


Last edited by Z A L O on Wed May 31, 2017 5:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.



Tue May 30, 2017 1:37 am
WWW
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 31, 2017 9:54 am
Posts: 109
Country: Antarctica (aq)
Zelda can shorthop double bair now.
And all of her magic/sweetspot effects are so pretty.

_________________
Image


Wed May 31, 2017 4:44 pm

Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:56 pm
Posts: 29
One thing is sure: zelda's beta is much lower than 0.9b

Kill-power :

Fsmash usmash bair : ridiculous

Faore's wind : hit or die

Din's fire : easy to dodge

Fair : Now she needs glasses

Dtilt : Exodus 20:13: Thou shalt not kill


Now The fastest characters > zelda's beta


Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:09 am
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:27 pm
Posts: 9545
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: [TSON]
Skype: thesilencepwnsu
Currently Playing: with myself
fair kos better than bair tho

_________________


Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:01 pm
WWW

Joined: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:46 pm
Posts: 1514
Location: Westchester, New York
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: Zalozis Zemsis
Skype: ZaloZemsis
Currently Playing: Gundam Wing: Endless Dual | Melty Blood: Actress Again Current Code | Super Smash Bros. Brawl
My only thing is that people are camping or playing hit&run because of how Zelda's lack in mobility. She can't break through nuetrala with her limited approach, nor does she have a reliable projectile to force approach anymore, or a fast teleport to mix-up. So players dash-dance and runaround the stage landing single moves until they racks up damage to a kill; eventually narrowing any lead established and forcing a simple game to be a 6-7 minute match. Feels like a weird punishment for being loyal to the character all these years.

It's nice that she got to keep her cool combos and most of her best setups off throws, but it just doesn't matter if you can't get to use it on your opponents. Any character significant speed, Wario, Ness, Mega Man, easily control the flow of neutral over her.

I'm still going to ride it out with her. She has legit issues that will surely make her below the bar as a competitive character (and that bar shouldn't be lowered either).

Please consider an increase her fall-speed & fast-fall-speed to complement her new jump height, and a slightly faster dash speed. Just give her that, and I think that's have the little push she needs to avoid being forced to play the lame game.

To add: I understand Usmash is to setup up Uair/UpB follow ups, but I will say that she can't kill Wario DI'ing in at 160% with Fsmash, from the edge of BattleField. That's pretty absurd; the knockback angle is pointed way to high for that low-knockback. But hell, I'll allow it.

_________________

Luigi Movement, Cancel, Tech, etc.
YouTube Video:
SSF2 Google Drive
". . . Emphasis . . . of players helping one-another"


Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:15 am
WWW

Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:56 pm
Posts: 29
Yes, she has no efficient to approach and ridiculous mobility ( example: vs luigi mu it's 100 0 for luigi )

I personally consider now zelda lowtier, she is good for the trashcan ( such as zelda melee )


Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:19 am
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:27 pm
Posts: 9545
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: [TSON]
Skype: thesilencepwnsu
Currently Playing: with myself
nspec if you feel threatened, just don't get baited

_________________


Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:25 am
WWW

Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:56 pm
Posts: 29
0.9b :

Image

Beta :

Image


Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:02 am
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:27 pm
Posts: 9545
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: [TSON]
Skype: thesilencepwnsu
Currently Playing: with myself
in 9b and beta there's 3 frames that you cannot hit her towards the beginning at all, you just need to get a feel for the timing

_________________


Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:11 am
WWW

Joined: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:46 pm
Posts: 1514
Location: Westchester, New York
Country: United States (us)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: Zalozis Zemsis
Skype: ZaloZemsis
Currently Playing: Gundam Wing: Endless Dual | Melty Blood: Actress Again Current Code | Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Yeah, Emma. Zelda was nearly completely impossible to hit during Nayru's. That move alone let her rule certain match-ups.

But Nayru's was still reactable to shield. So she had to make that up for with Din's ground-detonations or Farore's mix-ups. There's little options to give her some control of neutral now, but I'll go more into what she can do for approaching later.

EDIT: fixed words.

_________________

Luigi Movement, Cancel, Tech, etc.
YouTube Video:
SSF2 Google Drive
". . . Emphasis . . . of players helping one-another"


Last edited by Z A L O on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:42 pm, edited 2 times in total.



Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:55 am
WWW

Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:56 pm
Posts: 29
Before/after comparison

Negative :

Din's fire 0.9b > Beta ( 0.9b attack and defend )

Fsmash usmash dsmash 0.9b >> Beta ( 0.9b Kills earlier )

Dtilt 0.9b > Beta ( 0.9b Can kill and combo with Dsmash )

Uair 0.9b > Beta ( 0.9b no landing lag and better hitbox )

Fair 0.9b >> Beta ( beta stronger but better hitbox in 0.9b )

Bair 0.9b >>> Beta

Nspecial 0.9b >> Beta ( useless in beta )

Positive :

Nair ( not easy to combo with SDI )

Utilt : Better recovery

Jab : Stun and better recovery

Dair seems slightly better

Edit : Despite her nerfs, she remains interesting ( Once properly controlled )


Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:35 pm
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:05 am
Posts: 308
Country: Canada (ca)
Gender: Male
MGN Username: FluffyRuff
She has really good combos imo, and her up b has a ton of range good lord. It's hard to get away from her, at-least for me.

Makes me think about trying her out and see if I will main her or not.

I wonder if she's better than shiek (besides the speed).

_________________
Mains: :metaknight: and :zerosuitsamus:

Practicing: :yoshi:

Image
Image


Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:05 am

Joined: Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:50 am
Posts: 1
Country: United States (us)
TBH, I don't enjoy the new Zelda.


I appreciate her jab and the fact that up-b has actual priority/a consistent hitbox (Though it only really needed a few pixels before in 0.9b)... but everything else has been an almost direct nerf.


D-tilt is almost completely useless in most situations, having lost the ability to meteor/set up jab resets.

Dash-attack has far more ending lag and sets up into less things.

Most of her kill moves were nerfed, with f-smash and up-smash being incredibly weak/easy to d.i. out of and punish, fair losing its ability to effectively space while being slower, and bair not only being weaker but also having more lag. Yes, you can get two bairs off in a single short-hop, but that's because she has massive short-hops now. It's still slower.


Her short hops are awful.


Up-throw seemed to have lost quite a few setups, while back-throw has been greatly nerfed in terms of power.


Finally, her safe landing options (Din's fire and Faore's wind) against characters with more range are simply not effective. Especially Din's fire, considering that a good part of its utility came from its lasting hitbox.

Finally, the few buffs she did get didn't help her flaws, specifically her trash landing (Dash-dance, shield when she's near, then go for an OOSO. If she goes for Faore's wind, do the same thing but just shield immediately after she uses it) and her inability to deal with disjoints outside of a few moves. In addition, she now suffers from awful killing power, a bad approach, bad range on the ground and greatly reduced combo power.



T.L.D.R, use Ness. He seems to have stolen most of Zelda's good properties. Main flaws are speed and bad special moves, but he generally has 0.9b Zelda's power and properties with a few other tricks up his short sleeves.


Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:26 pm
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:53 am
Posts: 649
Location: Either at home or at school
Country: Philippines (ph)
Gender: N/A
Currently Playing: SSF2, Paladins, TF2, Skullgirls
Waifu: m'Lady Lyndis
Can we have 0.9b SH back?

Also, what did you guys think of the previous zelda patches?

_________________
Mains:
:megaman: ; :lloyd: ; Image

Secondaries:
:bomberman: ; :wario:

For Fun:
:chibirobo: ; :blackmage: ; :ichigo: ; Image ; :isaac: ; :jigglypuff:

Hopefuls:
Lyn(FE); Ike(FE); Zero(MM); Andy(AW); Gilgamesh(FF)

tmanex2013 made the wonderful lyn sprite I used for Image


Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:50 am
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
 [ 35 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Designed by ST Software for PTF.