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Low-tiers with good High-tier MU's 
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What do you think are good matchups that low/mid tiers have against high tiers? I know Chibi Robo vs MK isn't that bad for Chibi Robo, but I don't know much more about low tier vs. high tier matchups.

what I see as Low Tier:
:megaman:
:chibirobo:
:wario:
:kirby:
:sora:

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why is mm on that list

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I see MM as top of low tier, he could be bottom of mid tier

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Hakma wrote:
why is mm on that list


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Hey guys, Zapp here with the official BR tier list.
Here is the tier list:

C Tier
24. :samus:
25. :sora:
26. :kirby:
27. :megaman:
28. :wario:
29. :chibirobo:


3rd to last equals Low Tier in my book.

One example I can think of:

- Wario vs. MK Yoshi

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:sora: vs :fox:


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Fox still wrecks Sora. Sure, you get combos. But everyone gets combos on Fox, and Fox will wreck you in neutral and take stocks pretty quickly.


I submit Wario v Yoshi. Yoshi has great onstage combos, but Wario does too and he has one of the most brutal edgeguards in the game: Chomp goes through super armor and can take Yoshi's stock from literally one hit.


Other MU's.......

I believe that Chibi-MK is close to even as Lunary said.

I could see MM beating Naruto, but I've never seen the MU so I wouldn't know.

Of course, Wario beats MK 80-20 as well :P

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Sora/Naruto isn't that bad for Sora. You can just Fair through his clones and outrange him mostly. However, he can't do too much about Rasengan/shuriken.

I've heard from exaggerating people that Kirby/Falcon and Kirby/ZSS isn't bad, but I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

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Sora can just DSmash Rasenshuriken, so one problem less... Kirby vs ZSS is more in ZSS favour, although i usually dont are too bad in thta MU.

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IIRC Kirby does alright vs. Fox.


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I think Kirby loses to Fox slightly, but only if the Fox is on point. You essentially have to win neutral 90% of the time or more, but that's totally possible with the extreme difference in the neutral game. Kirby has vicious combos on Fox, and Hammer -> edgeguard is a threat at 50%.

BM beats Chibi from my experience. Meteors are good at edgeguarding Chibi, and that coupled with dair to beat up-B means that edgeguards are pretty easy. BM can combo Chibi fairly well considering his lackluster punish game onstage, but I really see BM's neutral being the deciding factor. Meteors beat just walling, and I don't see how Chibi is supposed to approach BM. Essentially, I see BM having problems with rushdown characters, and Chibi can't rush down BM.

Fox v Peach is pretty even from my experience: kinda like Melee, but no waveshines and no uthrow -> uair changes things in Peach's favor.

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I can see :wario: :jigglypuff: :megaman: and :chibirobo: having a close to 50/50 MU with :naruto: , they have the tools to make it seem like that.

The :chibirobo: vs :metaknight: MU is fairly even... on the air, Chibi´s "ground game" is basically only grab which if he misses MK has enough time to punish and setup for edguards. So in a plataform stage you want to use plataforms to extend your combos and not to try to make them, besides camping or edgeguards I mean.

:sora: vs :marth: looks probably even or maybe a bit in Sora's favor. IMO

And :samus: :wario: :chibirobo: :kirby: vs :fox: doesn't feel that bad, and Samus may even have the advantage in that matchup.

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sounds like Naruto and Fox have balanced MU's throughout the whole cast. the closest thing to this in Melee is Marth, but that isn't even that close.

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