Panthera, you might want to look back at the game. I did not vote in my first post. I actually read the posts before mine, and accused you of saying that the RVS was useless and we needed to start from scratch with nothing to work on. I also posted shortly after, pointing out flaws in your excuse of saying that you meant to say 'randomly lynching'. And even then, we didn't say that we were going to randomly lynch. We never randomly lynch, and based on your reaction to that, I can easily assume that you are mafia.

Ramsey, what I want to know is why you want to start from scratch. You said that 'Starting from scratch with no possibility of bandwagon from any dumb user(s) who mass vote one particular person for no reason would be pretty nice, I think.' There hasn't been much bandwagoning lately, unless we include you and King Arthur against me. Not everyone puts their votes on one particular person without reason. You also FoS'd me, right after 194 tried to break down my argument. What I find strange is that 194 did not FOS me, but you specifically said:

'Yeah' means that you agree with someone, and by saying 'definite FoS on JamesClyde', it means that you agreed with 194 on FoSing me. But 194 did not FoS me. Does that mean that you two are scum buddies? Then, after I objected to 194's post, you voted for me without any reasoning whatsoever. I did not even question your scummy acts, and yet you still voted for me. That is a perfect example of the chainsaw defense. And looking at Terra's post, you know what the chainsaw defense is. Then, you called Terra 'dumb' and a 'loser'. Congratulations. You are at the top of my scum list.

194, I have already objected to your logic.

King Arthur. Wanna see what I have in store for you? You mindlessly jumped on the bandwagon towards me, saying that you were following 'Towk's logic', and you think that I am scum. I did not suspect you either, that is, until now. By saying that you follow Towk's logic, and voted for me, what I think is that you might be on the same scum team as Panthera, 194 or Ramsey. But there can only be three people in one scum team, so I can't be too sure. Because you say that you follow Towk's logic, you are trying to make me suspect Towk of being in the same scum team as you. Let's look at my list again.

Scum(S>W)Ramsey, Panthera, 194, King Arthur
Scum teams:
1st scum team:Panthera, 194, Ramsey, King Arthur(Main suspects for the 1st scum team, though only three of them are there)
2nd scum team:?

EDIT: When writing this post, I did not see Blood's post nor Terra's. Sorry for the inconvenience.

I believe you are mistaken, Blood.

Since when are we supposed to follow certain "rules"(i.e. the bolded part) over how the game progresses? In fact, there is valuable information to be gained just by analyzing voting patterns on Day 1, especially bandwagoning(refer to my previous posts for examples). In fact, Day 1 is actually better for finding newbscum, since, after all, scum have not gotten used to the game yet, and are far more likely to make mistakes.

There is no rule that states that we cannot make accusations Day 1 like how I am doing right now, which is pointing out voting patterns.

You're saying that I'm having suspicions based off how someone voted at the start of Day 1. That is unture. If you look at who I think is scum, I suspected them after the Panthera Random Voting incident, which, at least in my opinion, is not the start of Day 1.

And if you say that my opinion is not true, I direct you to this page: Relativist Fallacy

TL;DR-I'm voting based on voting patterns that I've noticed, which are definitely not random votes.

@Mod: Could we have an actual votecount please? It will really help with VC analysis. Thanks in advance.
@Everyone who even cares: Reads?

EBWOP: Since when are we supposed to follow certain "rules"(i.e. the bolded part) over how the game progresses? In fact, there is valuable information to be gained just by analyzing voting patterns on Day 1, especially bandwagoning(refer to my previous posts for examples). In fact, Day 1 is actually better for finding newbscum, since, after all, scum have not gotten used to the game yet, and are far more likely to make mistakes now.

Edit in bold.

@Mod: Yes, please a vote count as soon as possible.
@Terra: tbh, town reads in you, Brik, and Panthera. I see genuine search for information in all of you, so it makes sense for you to be townies in my list. Null read in JC and Ramsey, a firmer null in the former and a weak null in the latter, mainly because of the exact argument JC pointed. Scum reads on everyone else, except BB. Man, you need to get out of you "stating the obvious" cave and play like men once did.

I'm still waiting on everyone else to start posting (more regularly) actually. I'll quote the player list just to be certain:


Looking at the list, you can clearly see that about half of the players are lurking/inactive. It's becoming near impossible to get good reads on anyone at this point. That being said, I believe that these "scum team" analyses are rubbish. With 9 inactives, I can bet anything that some scum/third party can be found in there. I'm looking at Shoop/Kyuubit as possible third party, and I'm not even 100% sure who definitely is scum at this point, but if I had to just go all out, I'd say scum team one is probably Brik, JC, and maybe TOWK.

Lurkers do not mean scum. I am a person Panthera. I need sleep. To anyone who has played with PL before, is attacking his usual method of playing? I'm seeing misinterpretations, not reading correctly, and that BS bias to lurkers.

What I said was that
1. It is almost impossible to get reads because half of the players are inactive.
2. At least someone from the lurker squad is scum.

Never did I say that lurking = scum.

Why is it impossible? There's a whole 8 players to get reads from, and on.

Sorry guys, just woke up. Was at a party last night, so... I'll try to be more active from now on.

Will prod Thomas, Shoop and Bonsaitoad and attempt to find a replacement for Cactus. (Hasn't confirmed role yet)

I'm very satisfied with everyone else's activity at this point.

Vote count coming soon.

Actually, yes, because if your Mafia team kills me during the night, the remaining town members will know who to lynch.

Panthera does seem really scummy though, that, or he's EXTREMELY over-reacting.

Ah, I see.
You're part of one mafia team and accusing him of being in the other, right?

Anyway, if you were to die, it could easily be WIFOM to get more heat on JC.

You know the whole "if you kill this player then we know who to lynch" plan always seem to make things more complicated since the mafia can WIFOM the whole situation.

Also in response to this.


Firstly, even though the start of day one is not bound by the rule to have only experimental voting it most likely will always end up like that. This is do to the fact that everyone is a suspect and there is no point in making a serious case against someone until later on in the day. Using the start of day one as a chance to find newb scum is possible, but there isn't really a way to distinguish newb scum from newb player. In other words it's a great chance for townies to find inexperience scum, but it's also a great chance for the mafia to take advantage of new/bad players mistakes.

In particular King Arthur is very new to forum mafia (this is his second game with a bit of experience in real life) a mafia could easily take advantage of his inexperience, let's not pretend it didn't happen before.(A spiky green plant comes to mind)

Your suspicions on Ramsey are completely un-founded since not only are we not sure of ramsey's play style but his vote was from the beginning of day one and is most likely random/experimental. In fact any votes that happen before things got serious(which is roughly around pathera's random voting post) shouldn't even be taken seriously.

Your suspicions on 194 aren't very thought out either. 194 is acting very town like. He's not stating the obvious, he's making deductions based off what other say, and he actually seem like he's trying to move the game forward.

The only one of your suspects I'm willing to agree with is pathera because of my reasoning before.

Ramsey first voted for me (as a joke, of course), then changed to JamesClyde after Panthera's random voting post thing. So that wasn't a random vote, just saying.

Nope Ramsey voted for JamesClyde before Pathera's random voting post and after TOWK voted for James.