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MG Mafia 25: UPick Literally Anything-Game Ended 
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So do we have any suspicions or does everyone want to do a no-lynch and try to kill Semicolon tomorrow?


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According to his claim, he's already dead. But yes, someone should try.

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Hm. That "no lynch only" was Twilight Phase. Remember we are at Day 1 Reset, so we can vote for each other.

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Ok so your new name is hilarious and all but I'm just going to refer to you as 194

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Dephius wrote:
So do we have any suspicions or does everyone want to do a no-lynch and try to kill Semicolon tomorrow?

Ok hold up, are you and TOWK even listening to yourselves here? I mean, I've already stated that I'm already dead so I don't really get why you're so obstinate about lynching me, but even if you could lynch me it's a terrible play.

Let's forget about my role and just talk mafia theory for a moment.

Imagine that I'm a survivor or lyncher or something, so the game is 5v2v1. 5v2s are inherently bad for the town (the mafia has won every 5v2 on MG so far), and a 5v2v1 is almost always worse. Assuming we go along with your scenario, the town no lynches on Day 1 and lynches me on Day 2. This causes you to lose two townies and a 3P, creating a 3v2 on Day 3. This is an AWFUL position for the town, because if you predetermine that you'll be lynching me on Day 2 you get virtually no scum hunting done. This means that you're entering into Lylo for the rest of the game with nothing but unreliable night actions to give you any idea of who's scum, which is pretty close to unwinnable.

I have no problem with you guys "lynching" me because you're effectively no lynching and I need that for my win condition, but please, think through your plans.

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C'mon dude, why on earth did you change your name to "No Lynch"? You're the guy who popularized the "No username changing during the game" rule, and I'm the guy who has to keep track of vote counts, so I don't really know what you're trying to accomplish aside from making my job harder.

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For everyone's sake, please refer to 194 as "Skye" or "194". I'll be counting Vote: No Lynch as an actual no lynch vote and Vote: Skye as a vote for 194. Honestly.

I don't know why Terra hasn't done so already, but obviously I'll be reinstating the "You can't change your username during the game" rule. I don't want any more silliness.

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@SemiTerra Can I get a temp. post restriction as well?


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This whole thing is f*** ridiculous. I'm done. Replace me or modkill me or something, I want nothing to do with this.

When there's another Mafia game that has us actually playing the game, I'll enjoy that. I'm not going to sit here arguing with somebody who's seemingly willing to ruin the whole thing for everyone else playing just so he can say "oh look I won" at the end. It's f*** stupid. All of this is.

I finally decide to join another Mafia game here. I have fun. I decide to join the next one. Now I get this?


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TOWK wrote:
Ok so your new name is hilarious and all but I'm just going to refer to you as 194

woops
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was warned
for breaking restriction
i just forgot my bad
Terra wrote:
Assuming we go along with your scenario, the town no lynches on Day 1 and lynches me on Day 2. This causes you to lose two townies and a 3P, creating a 3v2 on Day 3.

Yeah but you will make the mafia lose
if they try or succeed to kill someone so nothing else matters, right?

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This game is going nowhere. If we want this to end, we have to do it quick.

I claim ramen, Mafia Conditional JOAT.

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DID HE JUST WALK UP SLOWLY AND CLAIM SCUM

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I quit. If you're going to claim scum and you're not a bomb or something, I don't see how you're expecting to not be blacklisted for intentional bad play.

And for that matter, I still don't know why everyone wanted me to lose so badly. As soon as I claimed and pretty explicitly stated that my goal was to win while preserving the integrity of the game, everyone jumped on me even so. I personally don't like relying on luck for wins, so I tried to come up with a solution where I won but everyone could keep playing a game that Terra had worked for hours to create. Whatever, I guess? Make sure Semicolon loses even if it means getting blacklisted, right? I guess I'll just keep this "bridesmaid" title forever if people are going to play like that lol

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Your role, by design, goes against everything we had deemed as good for this revival.
This game as Asa whole brings back the reasons why this section died.

I'm deeply sorry Terra, but we can't afford to keep playing this.

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Will be making a post shortly.

EDIT: The game has ended shortly due to irreversible damage caused to the setup.

Quick copy/paste-this is in the info dump but is particularly important as to why I created the dreamer.
Knowing how swift 8P games often are, I wanted to make this setup as role madness-y as possible without swinging it too much into the favor of scum, hence the reason why I created the Dreamer role and didn’t give 194 a traditional factional kill. To balance out how slow this game would be, I gave kyuubit an ability that would only get better as time progresses. In order to make the town balanced I had to give them abilities which would be immune to the chaos of the Dreamer role and mafia: hence the two day roles, as well as Lightning’s incredibly powerful role(there are no other cops in game).

Experimenting with a lack of mod interference was a very risky idea that played out much better in my head than it did in the actual game. I didn’t realize how much taking a step back as moderator actually influenced the game. It didn’t make things better when I also realized that the DJ ‘death’ wouldn’t generate as much attention as I thought it would, which already made things bad enough in terms of the flow of the game. In hindsight I should’ve allowed all but the maf to make their actions N0, which would've been at least better for information.

But that’s not even the worst part-there was a very big difference between the way I’d hope the Dreamer role would play out and the way it actually did. I imagined that it would be DJ keeping under the radar and playing out the moderator act while pulling the strings behind the scenes, but it turned out he was more than willing to claim D1, which threw the town out of whack, considering it warps the very town vs mafia setup mafia is based around. In addition, I did not expect a huge backlash towards the Dreamer role, as its abilities and win condition at least to me aren't too negative, although I do understand it is effectively a survivor. I’ve learnt an important lesson: consider every single possibility, especially the D1 massclaim in designing small setups.

List of things I positively did not anticipate:
DJ claiming so early: BY FAR THE LARGEST FACTOR
Doq risking his role by saying you can’t see me in the thread
The use of time rewind and the rule this early in the game
People voting even after I ‘said’ that you couldn’t vote for anyone

Info dump in case anyone wants it. Contains actions, roles, and plans.

After this game, I'll probably be taking a hiatus from moderating and playing MG Mafia again. Having moderated multiple games before I should know better than to do this.

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