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Also, brik. The role list for MG3 is private right now. Make it public please.

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Crabby wrote:
Believeblood wrote:
Look I'm going to make this quick because I know Internet is gonna break any minute.
Due to the circumstances I have no choice but to claim before the mafia swoops in for the kill.
I am the space cop from mafia 3 my role has been tweak so that the role would be able to be used in this game.
Once per night I can target one person, I will obtain a clue that hints to that person's role(either which mafia the role is from or what it does)
if you don't believe me I can prove it and I'll have to right now because Internet won't hold on for that long.
Brik is from mafia 9.
If he says no then he's mafia or third party, if he says yes then that confirms my innocence and I'll probably die. Either way I'm dead so I hope you guys can work the rest for yourselves. Even if brik says yes, don't trust him

At the risk of appearing even more like a lyncher like some of you seem to believe I am, I'm not sure we should be just taking this claim at face value. Contrary to what everyone has said so far, this is a relatively safe claim. Consider the possibility of scum team Believeblood/Brik. Believeblood would be able to claim this investigative role, giving 'info' about his scum partner as proof of his ability.

That being said, I would like to disprove this via lynching Believeblood. FoD already has reports saying that Terra, confirmed townie, and Believeblood were of differing alignments. Believeblood's report can't exactly be as trusted as the other investigative roles, especially because the result was on Brik, a player of unknown alignment. The Believeblood lynch is still a valid option for today: if wrong, it confirms framer; if right, it confirms FoD as town and increases the likelihood of Brik being scum.

I thought about the possibility and I think you know what you're talking about.

Vote: Believeblood


Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:35 pm
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Vote Count

Voting Believeblood: Crabby, DJ Wizard Cop, Lucina
Voting That Person: 135, Brikmaninoff
Voting Brikmaninoff: TheOneWhoKnocks

Not Voting: That Person, Believeblood, Terra, Fly or Die

Deadline: Nov 10th, 18:00 hrs (ths post's hour)
With 10 players alive, 6 votes are required to lynch.
If deadline is reached and there's no consensus, no lynch will happen.

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There are three non-voters who could potentially vote/hammer BB (BB won't vote for himself). There are two people voting TP/Void, but I dislike this option. It makes no sense to punish TP for replacing an inactive player, although there are benefits. +TOWK voting Brik.

That said, I would really like to comfirm framer/lynch scum. Vote: Believeblood. If he flips town, Brik is a good possible follow-up, considering we basically know he's from MGM 9, which has Misery as a framer.

Basically, everything Crabby said.


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Fly or Die wrote:
There are three non-voters who could potentially vote/hammer BB (BB won't vote for himself). There are two people voting TP/Void, but I dislike this option. It makes no sense to punish TP for replacing an inactive player, although there are benefits. +TOWK voting Brik.

That said, I would really like to comfirm framer/lynch scum. Vote: Believeblood. If he flips town, Brik is a good possible follow-up, considering we basically know he's from MGM 9, which has Misery as a framer.

Basically, everything Crabby said.

That is some pretty good reasoning. After all, we can go back to brik.
Vote: Believeblood


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Responding to Fly or Die, but this should apply to Crabby and anyone who is following his logic as well.
Fly or Die wrote:
There are two people voting TP/Void, but I dislike this option. It makes no sense to punish TP for replacing an inactive player, although there are benefits.
This isn't punishing That Person for replacing Void. By process of elimination, we have determined that that player slot has an excessively high chance of housing scum.

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That said, I would really like to comfirm framer/lynch scum. Vote: Believeblood. If he flips town, Brik is a good possible follow-up, considering we basically know he's from MGM 9, which has Misery as a framer.
I don't follow the logic here. How have you established that TownBelieveblood = ScumBrik? Especially since you claim to agree with Crabby, who implied that ScumBelievblood = ScumBrik? You can’t have it both ways.

Also, it doesn’t follow that because I’m from Mafia 9 it should be automatically assumed that I’m Misery because we’ve deduced that there is likely a framer in the game.

I don’t like the direction Crabby is pushing this train. So help me, if he is doing the same thing as Mafia 7, I am going to be mad.


Preedit: Thank you That Person for making me like the idea of lynching you even more. Perfect example of scumwagoning and setting up lynches with no reasoning behind them in your last post. Kudos.

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Sorry Brik. If BB flips town, I'd mostly suspect either TP or FoD.


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So apparently the storm didn't effect my area as much as I thought it would, the storm was only bad enough to cause essessive lag to my Internet. Now that the storm has stopped for the most part it seems I can resume with the game.
It's a good thing too, because it seems as though everyone is trying to lynch me.

Okay firstly, I'm surprise no one is going after that person after what he just did, such blatant bandwagoning is the most apparent sign of scum.

Secondly I think everyone is forgetting something about me and FoD. FoD can be lying to us for all we know and can continue to lie without much effort. I on the other hand will have to make precise accusation of the roles I investigate. In other words lynching me puts FoD almost in the clear and puts brik on the spot. Give me one night and I'll be able to tell if FoD is telling the truth or not(DJ can track me so I won't die with empty results.)

Thirdly I have no idea why people are accusing brik of being misery there are so many role from mafia 9 and misery is just one of them, there's no reason to jump the gun.

Fourthly lynching me for information, is completely stupid. First of all it won't bring any definite facts, it could lead to questions about a framer and FoD's role which is already happening right now(in other words it will be no help AT ALL. People who are trying to lynch to get information are either not thinking things through or are scum, because we won't get any information at all.

The person who hammers me after all that has been said is scum.


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It's pretty obvious that Deph is the one who did the BelieveBlood is scum thing.

If it wasn't, Cthulu would have claimed by now.

Rest of my thoughts later don't have much time.

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Going back and reading through Dephius's posts.

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[Insert bunch of quotes]
Hey, like you said, three votes isn't much.

Vote: Terra

I'm also doing it because of BB's read.


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I guess I'll Unvote: Terra for now. Just remember, we can't wait forever until something scummier than Terra comes up.


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You seem very attached to TOWK, as if you're certain he's town. He could be playing very good scum.


IIRC TOWK has never played scum, unless on another site?

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Terra is scummy (And yes I believe this), Terra isn't scummy. Make up your damn minds people.

I still think we don't have enough to go onto, I don't want a mislynch.

Also, can we get a vote count please?
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I believe Terra is scummy because of all the scum stuff he's posted. Of course he didn't say a word between those two posts, but don't forget all the posts before that. I was voting for him before those two posts. And you said you believed we're a scum team.
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because it's Day 1. Nothing big happens, so at the slightest mention of anything scummy said by someone, said person is attacked. The attacker is then supported by several of his friends, going on accusations with little to no base. And before you know it, *poof* townie dead. Go ahead and lynch him, I'll vote if asked to, but if we get a mislynch, I'm going hard on whoever started the wagon.
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Terra is definetely the scummiest player here, but I still want to hear more from him before we rush a vote. We have plenty of time, don't worry.

Also, the "slightest mention" thing was taken out of context. That whole post was an example of what I believe happens when you rush a lynch. Nowhere in that post was talking about Terra acting normally.

Then several mores posts about Terra.

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DJ Wizard Cop wrote:
TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
Vote: DJ Wizard Cop

Omigudnis u suck.

Vote: DJ Wizard Cop

-It's in RVS
-Not serious
-Clearly a joke

Are you serious FoD? You find that "suspicious?"

Referring to the first night's Mafia activity:
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Honestly did not see that coming. I was looking at BB or TOWK.
Dephius wrote:
So Terra got a PM from Gastly trying to convince him BB is scum?

Dephius wrote:
135 wrote:
I suppose I need to elaborate a bit lol

My ability doesn't always have effects that are visible to me, so I don't know if it worked. Therefore I don't know whether I have been Role-Blocked.

Don't claim, but I would appreciate if you elaborated more.

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Oho!
Lucina wrote:
And the plot thickens!

Indeed!
Vote: Deph
Explain yourself plox.

Blatant bandwagon, just saying.

Ooh, look, someone votes for him.

And then some more stuff.


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Voting Believeblood: Crabby, DJ Wizard Cop, Lucina, That Person, Fly or Die
Voting That Person: 135, Brikmaninoff
Voting Brikmaninoff: TheOneWhoKnocks

Not Voting: Believeblood, Terra

Deadline: Nov 10th, 18:00 hrs (ths post's hour)
With 10 players alive, 6 votes are required to lynch.
If deadline is reached and there's no consensus, no lynch will happen.

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I'm probably not changing my vote off of you any time soon unless someone completely screws up. At the moment, I still believe you are the best lynch for information reasons, for the possibility of a two-for-one, and because there is actually a good chance you'll flip scum.

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I'm sorry but can someone refresh me on when 135 revealed himself to be an investigation role? Cause I don't remember that happening.
Also yes like I stated before FoD's claim and his action before them are very convincing, but that doesn't mean that he is confirmed town. Assuming that a framer is in the game and FoD is confirmed innocent as definitive facts, should I flip town, is the wrong train of thought. For all we know FoD is making a really good claim that can cover all of his scum actions, it's been done before. So even if you lynch me and I flip town, we would have learned nothing because we can't assume that FoD claim is 100% true. In other words we get nothing from lynching me. Let me say this again so you guys understand, we get nothing from lynching me unless we know FoD's claim is 100% true, because there are only so many possibilities that can be happening.

And yes, I said if I'm lynched then FoD is practically in the clear and brik is put on the spot, because by the way you guys are talking you're basically saying
"Since Believeblood is town then there is a framer. Hey brik is from mafia 9, maybe he's misery." Which is not true. It really sound like you guys are going to 100% confirm FoD townie just because he made a really convincing claim.

One final thing, do you honestly believe that FoD and my ability are as easy to maintain if we're faking it?
If FoD is a mafia all he has to do is go down the list of townies that he knows. That's easy.
If I'm a mafia then I would have to specifically pick either a certain ability or a certain mafia game and say I found it on a specific person. Not easy.


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