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They're trying to build a prison - for you and me to live in 
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Is China the only country who has prisons worse than America's?


No, you should check Human Rights Watch for that.

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It is not the responsibility of the prisoners to make prisons safe, it is the responsibility of society.

Because society is correct.


The point was that society should take its responsibility and that the government should act at an enormous scale. It's obviously not correct at the moment if it ignores those issues, but that doesn't mean society can make a difference and set matters straight. Somebody can have responsibility without acting correct (for instance politics).

I find it funny on your view that society absolutely must hold responsibility and owe something.


Of course they have, society has created prisons and has sustained them, so it's obviously national responsibility to look after them and to make sure they function all right. It's not as if prisons are a natural phenomenon or that they descended from Heaven.

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Villerar wrote:
Of course they have, society has created prisons and has sustained them, so it's obviously national responsibility to look after them and to make sure they function all right. It's not as if prisons are a natural phenomenon or that they descended from Heaven.

Well I concede its better than kicking people out of the country. Hey wait a minute, that's a better idea. Exporting prisoners.

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i just wish that we didnt need prisons but i think sometimes the life sentence is too harsh especially if someone like kills their husband for beating the kids or some guy who is young and in a gang kills another gang member i think canada has it right with 11 years i think for a murder or it was 25 and that is fair because prisoners making one mistake and loosing their life is just plain wrong

i oppose the death penalty as well because putting down anyone is wrong considering that murder is a crime but hey lets kill the murderers that makes perfect sense j/k i mean other countrys eliminate the death penalty though and we as americans should move away from it


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i oppose the death penalty as well because putting down anyone is wrong considering that murder is a crime but hey lets kill the murderers that makes perfect sense j/k i mean other countrys eliminate the death penalty though and we as americans should move away from it

The death penalty would be far more humane than s*** prisons.

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It depends on how high you value human life. I personally think it's the other way around. To be able to have every breath and have something to look forwards to is practically what humanity is about.

The future is uncertain. Someone in a poor prison has no way of knowing that they won't be released soon, be it due to political changes, sentence reduction, appeals or even a prison break. The rest of your life could be spent happy. Alternatively you could chance upon a life changing religion, giving you hope and happiness throughout the rest of your life (don't diss it, it works). Their whole life could be made worthwhile and over all enjoyable but just surviving.

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I'm not a nihilist but human life isn't all that it is cracked up to be. It is like a nice big sandbox. I'm usually the kid who destroy other people's sandcastles and creations for the fun of it.

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Thaiberium wrote:
wtfassholes wrote:
i oppose the death penalty as well because putting down anyone is wrong considering that murder is a crime but hey lets kill the murderers that makes perfect sense j/k i mean other countrys eliminate the death penalty though and we as americans should move away from it

The death penalty would be far more humane than s#%$& prisons.


Of course it wouldn't be. If there are any errors, an executed death penalty is irrevertible. That is not humane, it is a downright violation of the principle of a Rechtsstaat and any government that enforces capital punishment ought to be considered highly deficient. The principle of a Rechtsstaat is one of the elemental principles that make up a modern democracy.

The most retrograde prisons would be more humane than the death penalty, because if a prison sentence is reverted, you can't give one one's wasted years back, but you can give the person his or her freedom back, while with the death penalty, the state has claimed it all and is not giving it back. Yes, I'm aware dreadful prisons can lead to traumas and that's why I wrote the topic in the first place. Using it as a pretext to argue for capital punishment would be very glum, though (I am not saying you argue for the introduction of capital punishment, I'm just taking it on in advance).

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Villerar wrote:
Of course it wouldn't be. If there are any errors, an executed death penalty is irrevertible. That is not humane, it is a downright violation of the principle of a Rechtsstaat and any government that enforces capital punishment ought to be considered highly deficient. The principle of a Rechtsstaat is one of the elemental principles that make up a modern democracy.

I'm just advocating the death penalty for the sake of killing, no special reason beyond that. And though I haven't gathered enough evidence (read, drawing simple conclusions), I believe a democracy is not the best type of government.

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Russian prisons are actually very similar to gulags. Infact, in cases of extreme crimes your identity as a citizen ceases to exist and you can be treated worst than a P.O.W.

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Russian prisons are actually very similar to gulags. Infact, in cases of extreme crimes your identity as a citizen ceases to exist and you can be treated worst than a P.O.W.

like when the japanese won that war against china?


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Ichigo wrote:
Russian prisons are actually very similar to gulags. Infact, in cases of extreme crimes your identity as a citizen ceases to exist and you can be treated worst than a P.O.W.

So basically, gulags?

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Thaiberium wrote:
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Russian prisons are actually very similar to gulags. Infact, in cases of extreme crimes your identity as a citizen ceases to exist and you can be treated worst than a P.O.W.

So basically, gulags?

Shh, they dislike that term now.

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Ichigo wrote:
Thaiberium wrote:
Ichigo wrote:
Russian prisons are actually very similar to gulags. Infact, in cases of extreme crimes your identity as a citizen ceases to exist and you can be treated worst than a P.O.W.

So basically, gulags?

Shh, they dislike that term now.

Lol, it is not like the KGB are listening in.

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Thaiberium wrote:
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Ichigo wrote:
Russian prisons are actually very similar to gulags. Infact, in cases of extreme crimes your identity as a citizen ceases to exist and you can be treated worst than a P.O.W.

So basically, gulags?

Shh, they dislike that term now.

Lol, it is not like the KGB are listening in.

The FSB could be on the case.

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Hate to bump, but I think you missed the actual meaning of the song.
He's not saying that our prisons are terrible- In fact, you could say he thinks they're too good.

The song is talking about being put into prison over minor drug offences. He claims that it costs way too much taxpayer money, and doesn't actually fix the problem.
It costs millions of dollars to put someone in prison, where they are given a home, good food, clothes, etc. And he claims research shows that sending someone to jail never fixes their drug problem. Rehabilitation is cheaper and more effective, according to the song.

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