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I don't think you realise that by pushing this hard for one specific person since the beginning makes you appear highly suspicious.

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Nahhhh. It's already practically confirmed that either A: JiP is paranoid. B: JiP is insane. C: JiP is mafia. All of these but C prevent Tid from being mafia, and I'm not gonna go around throwing votes on him just yet. I'd rather go for someone else. In fact, I specifically avoided it.

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You seem awfully certain you've caught me, acting as if your little hunch is deadset proof to everyone that I'm a mafia.
I think you should definitely care if you look scumsided, as doing so is going to make people want to lynch you. If you're a townie, then getting lynched would definitely disadvantage us, especially seeing as we're already losing up to two of us per night. So why don't you care?

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Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:57 pm
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Vote: Tid
Don't act as if you're insane, Toad. You got a guilty on a third-party role, and that's no reason to think that you're paranoid or insane or defective because you got a guilty on who I FoSed. I don't have a lot of time to write my thoughts here so I'll give whatever I have at my disposal a shot.

FoSing:
Tid, his ML followed by a probably pre-laid defense of, "oh, no reveals." A guilty happens to come upon him as well, so this is good for us.
[:], since he seems to be INCREDIBLY knowledgeable about what the Mafia has and what they don't. He seems to back Tid up when he gets into trouble as well; my instinct is leading me to believe that he could have some role in who the Mafia are.
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Those are the thoughts I have now. I'll look for some more scumtells that I see on future days.

I didn't get a guilty on a thrid party role. Shin used the lie detector, and he wasn't a pirate, nor was he a third party member:
Shin Akuma wrote:
However, i'm not a pirate, i'm a normal member, True.

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Oh hey guiys sorry I'm late I didn't know day had started. Uh. Okay. Shin died. I find this suprising. I guess this means that either we have no doctor or they protected Toad/Jip whoever. Augh. Mafia is hard when you don't know if someone was innocent or guilty until the end of the game. Whyyyyyy


...Anyway. I... dunno about anyone who's suspicious, really. Jip, possibly being insane (and thus not useless), is likely too valuable to kill. But until he gets an innocent, he's pretty much useless and even if he does get one he could be lying. The inability to testlynch SOMETHING is fustrating. I'm not used to no-reveal setups at all. Our best bet at this point is either getting something useful from a Node (which is pretty much based on chance, though I doubt anything will be COMPLETELY useless), or getting some pressure from someone during the day. The one we are currently capable of is the latter, unless someone has an item used in the Dayphase they haven't told anyone about.

So, who to pressure? I don't claim to be a clear or anything of the sort, but I'm sure as heck gonna try SOMETHING useful. So...

Vote: Eternal-flo.

That's nice. Kill the newbie.
Nah, I'm going for whoever slips in their dialogue between Tid and SnowFlakeCat.
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Nahhhh. It's already practically confirmed that either A: JiP is paranoid. B: JiP is insane. C: JiP is mafia. All of these but C prevent Tid from being mafia, and I'm not gonna go around throwing votes on him just yet. I'd rather go for someone else. In fact, I specifically avoided it.

I'm most likely one of the two.

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You do realize that even if you are insane, he might be a godfather? You can't judge anything with a said-innocent today, so we determine this by scumhunting. Tid is obviously scum.

Right now, you really feel like lynching Tid. You don't even try to reconsider or have another suspect.
Forcing others to lynch Tid is going to make people lose trust in you. You might even be a pirate, trying to lynch an innocent person.

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nooq wrote:
[:], since he seems to be INCREDIBLY knowledgeable about what the Mafia has and what they don't.

This is exactly why I shouldn't be accused. Why I am so knowledgable? Because I'm the only one here actually analysing what everyone is saying and looking at who died, and pulling clues from the tiny hints we're getting here and there.

@Tid: I'm pretty sure the killing role is dead, and I will explain to you why.

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There were two deaths last night. This should be expected; one by the Mafia, the other by the killing role. However, if this was the case, there would be no "error in the system".
We can now take a very educated guess of two things: one, the killing role is dead, and two, the Mafia has a special role of some sort.


I don't have an investigative role, but I'm scouring everyone's posts for information. You guys shouldn't be accusing me, you should be thanking me.

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He seems to back Tid up when he gets into trouble as well; my instinct is leading me to believe that he could have some role in who the Mafia are.

I was backing up Tid at the beggining because he was being helpful and trustworthy. As a townie, I believe it is my responsibility to defend those I believe the be innocent.
Now... I'm not so sure. Between Tid and Nooq, I have a strong feeling that one of them is Mafia. I'll wait to see how this plays out before voting.

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@Tid -- such a defense is subliminally calling me mafia -- if i hadn't been leading on you, you obviously wouldn't have suspected me. it isn't like i'm actually backed by something for pushing on you, here. oh, i am backed.

@JiP -- I don't care what you think of my alignment, I know tid is mafia. if i was scum, though, I'd probably be more careful not to appear so, wouldn't I? Since it's up to the townies to find scum, I'm hunting. Everyone else seems to be trying to go on reports but basically having nothing.

@[:] -- I meant you seem to know what roles the mafia has. How do you know they have a poisoner?

Well, I guess since you are so willing to lynch Tid, I won't suspect you for a while today.
I think you should say your role. I mean, right now, I'm thinking Tid's right and that the third-party killer was killed.
Just a suggestion. There's no regular crew member on the ship (seriously, use the space terms).

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Nook, you have no backing. You keep coming back to the point that JiP may in fact be sane because he got a guilty on a third party member, and now your FoS.
But it's as JiP says, that's not the case. Shin wasn't a third party member, he was a completely innocent investigative role.
I feel like this is the hundredth time I've said this, but there is no question. JiP is NOT a normal cop. While there's the possibility that he's paranoid, it's also likely that he's insane, which would confirm that I'm innocent. Even if he's Mafia, he wouldn't be calling out one of his own as guilty, which is more reason to see me as townsided. Whatever he turns out to be, there's definitely no conclusive proof from your point of view, unless you have some sort of revealing role you aren't telling us about. (Once again I'd like to point out that you still haven't told us how you were so certain Shin wasn't a miller)
This is pretty typical mafia activity. You're turning the tiniest things into scumtell and following it through to appear townsided. You could just as easily have chosen War Panda's inactivity, or [:]'s uncanny knowledge of the mafia. But you didn't, you chose me and my stupid mistake of not fully reading the, very long-winded mind you, rule description at the start of this topic, which just happens to be a much less suspicious action than both of the alternatives I detailed above.

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@[:] -- I meant you seem to know what roles the mafia has. How do you know they have a poisoner?

Now you're the one misreading things. I said that even if they did have a poisoner (Which we have absolutely no way of knowing), they didn't use it since two people died on night one. (Which is a confirmed fact.)

My knowledge of the Mafia isn't uncanny by any stretch of the imagination. I picked up a valuable clue from Brik's mistake, and now you guys are accusing me for helping.

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You noted it, and asked him about it, but really when you could be voting someone that has this implied knowledge for no explained reason, you're lynching me for something stupid, a mistake anyone could've made. I read the rules, but they changed a lot, and had a whole bunch of gimmicks at the start. Excuse me if I skimmed some bits.
Nothing you say or do is going to change how scummy it is for you to ignore other issues and focus on this one tiny thing, pushing for an unbacked lynch like this.

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nooq wrote:
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or [:]'s uncanny knowledge of the mafia. But you didn't

Actually, I did. You're grasping at things here that have already been taken care of; and it's not my fault that you didn't read the rules of the game before you decided. You're probably using it as backing for looking scummy, as it helps you gain some footing here.

If I was scum, I wouldn't carelessly be throwing myself at you. I know I'm probably going to be lynched, but I want to help as much as possible before it happens. and YOU. are scum.

Also, me knowing he wasn't a miller was a soft claim, obviously. Now that I've been requested to out my role, I'm a a Hated Crew Member (aka miller).

@[:], can you point me toward what he said that leads you to believe there is a poisoner?

:shock: That explains a LOT of things.

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It would explain a lot if someone had gotten a guilty on him. It's like he's using this role now so that when he gets investigated and shown up as guilty, he'll have an excuse.
He's just preparing in advance. At first I thought he might've been a crew member who was just FoSing me, but the way he's acting towards me when I know that I'm townie... From my point of view, you have to understand why I think he's mafia.
Vote: Nooq

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@[:], can you point me toward what he said that leads you to believe there is a poisoner?

*Tries to Stay Calm*

I said that if even if they had a poisoner, they didn't use it on night one because two people died.
Why would I suspect they had a poisoner in the first place? Because two people died tonight as well.
Why is this a problem? Because there was an "error in the system".
So inherently, this tells us two things. One, the killing role is dead, and two, the Mafia have a special role of some sort.

See, it's not uncanny at all. It's just pure logic.

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It does seem odd that of all the conclusions we could draw from two deaths N1, you chose the oddly specific and out of the way "If they happened to have a poisoner they didn't use it.".

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It does seem odd that of all the conclusions we could draw from two deaths N1, you chose the oddly specific and out of the way "If they happened to have a poisoner they didn't use it.".

Ugh. That was the best way I could think of saying it. I have no idea if they have a poisoner! How should I?
I just... oh, nevermind. I've said it a bajillion times now, if you still don't believe me, then I don't know what to say.

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