http://smashboards.com/threads/new-olimar-match-up-thread-preventing-extinction.300924/

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hey thanks dude

no probs

dont try to out camp him!!! lol

This is going to be long, so be ready. This is what I think about the characters. This is not a troll, because this is what I think about Link and Mewtwo.
Here's my reasoning for this (with reasons afterwards):

Link:
-Best Edgeguard in the Game
-Long Edgehog
-Moonwalking
-Dash Trapping
-Deadly Horizontal Abilities
-Special Attack Trickster
-Useful N-Air Spread At 100+ Percentages
-N-Air Wall of Pain
-D-Throw>D-Smash and U-Throw>U-Tilt Combos
-Power Over Speed
-S-Smash vs Ice Climbers Law

Link has the best edgeguard in Melee, with his USpec, S-Tilt, S-Smash, D-Tilt and N-Air. He also has some of the best edgehogging, having an extremely long edgehog. Link also has the second best Moonwalking ability, which can prove him to be one SCARY edgeguarder and edgehog.

Something I figured out a while back, though, is that Link (and some other characters) can trap opponents with his dash attack, which is especially effective against Fox and Falco (who fast-fall a lot), DK, Ganondorf and Bowser (who are too heavy). When opponents recover (or try to) Link also can hit them with near semi-spike properties, especially the S-Tilt and S-Smash attacks.

His special attacks, when combined into one giant combo, can prove to be one of the best combos leading to a semi-spike and a low percentage KO. His N-Air, having the longest N-Air attack frame, even after the attack is "done", can spread his opponents away with force.

His N-Air, just like Jigglypuff's attack combo, is a Wall of Pain itself. Using N-Air at 50+ Percent damage has the same effects as Jigglypuff's Wall of Pain, with the exception of it lasting MUCH longer in attack frames than Jigglypuff's in the air, having more knockback, and more damage per kick.

His Up and Down Throws, when combined with U-Tilt and D-Smash respectively, are great damage routers, especially against DK, Fox, Falco, Bowser, Ganondorf, Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers and Doctor Mario.

And when I say power over speed, think of Link vs Fox/Falco. When Fox or Falco use their SSpec, being predictable to experienced players, are useless when Link uses his S-Smash, S-Tilt, Dash, D-Tilt, D-Smash or his Specials, which his U-Spec immediately turns into a semi-spike.

Finally, this is exclusive to the Ice Climbers. If they don't use any ranged attacks, Link can ultimately separate both of them with his S-Smash, repeat again, and kill Nana before Popo can merge back with her. This makes the Ice Climbers almost useless against this tactic (unless, I don't know, ranged attacks are almost non-existent to pros nowadays).

Now, as for Mewtwo:
-Great U-Throw and B-Throw
-Amazing Recovery with a perfectly timed U-Air or B-Air
-Best in-game dodging
-Mind games
-Brain over Brawn Law
-B-Air Wall of Pain
-D-Throw>D-Tilt combo
-Throw Speed

His U-Throw and B-Throw have the most knockback of any throws, being able to KO at as little as 70% at the edge of Final Destination with B-Throw, U-Throw against lighter weights, and up 150% (U-Throw), if the opponent is heavyweight. Against Fox or Falco, B-Throw is the best tactic to defeat them, being that they are extremely fast fallers.

When I say his recovery is amazing, I mean that if you time the U-Air or B-Air perfectly, it increases the second jump by 1.5x it would be. This only happens to Mewtwo, so don't try it with Yoshi. Trust me, it fails HORRIBLY with Yoshi.

His dodging tactics are some of the best in Melee, since his USpec is a dodge all its own. If you time it perfectly, you can double the distance quickly and have space to turn back and use the B-Air. This makes Mewtwo the perfect character for mind games, which destroys the competition. Brain over Brawn Law means that Mewtwo is the perfect character to use strategy. You have to use him JUST right or this will fail indefinitely. Think of your tactics against higher ranked characters before acting. It's especially useful for combo characters.

His B-Air is his own version of the Wall of Pain, because if timed correctly and the tip hits, it knocks others back far enough, making him the best Backwards Wall of Pain character.

Nothing to explain about his D-Throw>D-Tilt combo, other than it being effective against Fox, Falco and heavyweights, and being able to dodge out of the way.

Have you seen his Throws when the opponent is lighter or heavier? Well, if you use his B-Throw and U-Throw against lighter characters, it's more efficient due to knockback purposes. When the character is heavier, it's effective to use F-Throw to distance yourself, which is useful against Link or Ganondorf. Now finally, when against lightweight fast-fallers or heavyweights and large characters, it's best to use D-Throw to chain grab.

Overall, what I say about these characters, is that they are:
Strategic Characters - Having to use brain over brawn, and useful spacing, these characters need to be used VERY strategically. Going between spacing at low percentages then attacking primarily at high percentages, especially with their specific Walls of Pain. It's useful to find out every single detail to be useful characters.

When it comes to making great strategy, these two are are among the best of the strategic characters. Be sure to find out more about these characters when you have time to.

I just wanted to say that these characters are primarily distinctive as to having very strategic movesets with spacing and camping.

wrong wrong wrong
anything in red is my response

you don't know what the terms you're using mean, stop calling it s-smash, it's f-smash and s-smash looks stupid, wall-of-pain is not just because of the hitboxes on jiggles' moves (and her bair is more disjointed than link's nair, link doesnt have the aerial mobility to match jiggles', which is half of the entire point of the wall of pain), link has a lot of projectiles that do not compare to falco's, or peach's for instance

in all 3 games he has a shoddy recovery compared to the rest, link players get gimped a LOT. he does not have a better edgehog game than the other characters, most of them also have a lot of edgehog moves but a lot of the time they can gimp with actual spikes like falco's dair, go off and intercept like with peach's floating or with fox's shines)

also you're 100% smasherlink

edit: if you want i can look at your mew2 part too, but i'm afraid because i think it will hurt my brain

He already admitted he was SmasherLink in the Spam section, haha

and it's nice to see people defending their low-tier picks, although he's saying he's pretty much the best when that's obviously not true

lol damn

oh well point still stands he dont know nuttin bout smersh

captain falcon is the best smash bros character because:

he looks cool
he sounds cool
he's from f-zero which is a great series
f-zero has awesome music
he does a falcon punch
he does a falcon kick and things like that too
he has knees
my friends agree that captain falcon is cool
he's really cool unlike my dad
my dad isn't cool

refute that, f***

i hear he has a DEVASTATING s-tilt

also

i read this as "jigglypuff's bear" at first and i was like HOLY s*** WHAT HAVE I BEEN MISSING BY NOT GETTING DEEP INTO MELEE

I completely agree wit choo
Falcon is the most awesome

this is awkward because i main link and i just realized he's bad

link is not bad, he's just not good for the reasons smasherlink mentioned. isai kicks major 64 a** with link (with all characters, actually), there are many strong link players in melee (although they don't place well they always show a strong performance against good players) and izaw comes to mind in brawl.

"bad character" doesn't mean "has no merit", as every character has little exploits and tricks that make the character viable in some way. it's like how in brawl, even though ganon is s*** tier, he has a pretty good jab, a side b that like no one understands, and short hop dair is hilariously devastating.

I love falcon too.
f*** you ganondork s*** clon

but no one can win against R.O.B