Hold it there. Zelda and Sheik are considered as their own character, with Transform not being taken into account as it literally changes the char you play as/against. So by default, removing Transform would be a buff considering that now both have an additional move to use in combat, regardless of how bad it might be. It would make the Sheilda combination weaker overall, but that doesnt have a spot on the tier list iirc. I dont get how Zelda getting another move instead of turning into another person would nerf her anyway.

TBH? The transformation ability is actually super good. It isn't like Melee where Zelda's best move is down-special. Here both characters have a decent amount of jank, and the character change allows them to cover various options. Albeit, this is situational, but I've seen players do it before.

I've made people want this move banned.

Its a pretty broken move tbh

Dope you are broken. lol

In terms of what I want changed for Sheik, I would like forward throw to have more hitstun.

Down throw is alright, but maybe less base knockback and a little less knockback scaling.

Up throw can stay the same.

I am fine if they change the angle of back throw.

Up air being a little stronger, while down air can be faster, but weaker if need be.

For forward air, I would like it to have a little bit more start up and landing lag so people just won't throw it out. I am fine with it's power, but giving it more lag may balance it out a little.

More start up on dash attack.

More consistent invincibility frames with Vanish and I am fine with Sheik.

Bair
Also I hope Sheik's chain gets changed, I find it so useless right now.... It's even worse than the Melee chain.

Her bair is fine for me.

If it is able to tether, then that will be a start.

I might be mixing up something here, but I recall you telling people that Fox had a stupid Bair because its not a sex kick (and crotch rocket of course). Now we have Sheik with the same non-sex kick Bair and suddendly it is fine?

It has a sour spot and sweet spot, what are you talking about?

Also Sheik's bair is nothing compared to Fox's bair so I am not sure what you are trying to start.

Also I never complained about Fox's bair not being a sex kick, but people just throwing it out to much.

>Nothing

wut is this conversation

jesus christ.

Sheik bair is broken. Fox bair is even more broken.

everyone wins.

Dope is broken, we need his Sheik to penetrate our cheeks and fill us full with his glee.

>everyone wins

I wonder if Sheik will have her Down-B changed to Bouncing Fish. If so, top tier.

This thread has been pretty dead, so i'm just gonna share this up b tech that's probably already known but I didn't see anyone else mention it yet.
Lets you use the windbox to edgegaurd people
https://gyazo.com/7d39bd223be1cd5a3771a5ef7c1d687e
useful for edgegaurding people who don't sweetspot and are lazy at recovering.

I want Zelda/Sheik to keep Transform because it makes them unique. (It felt kind of awkwardly replaced in 4.)

I DO, however, want Chain to be replaced with Burst Grenade. The impossibility of analogue control kills Chain, both functionally and cosmetically.