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And the idea of Valhalla is pretty awesome.

You're just repeating what I said.

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Why? I just kind of feel that not believing in something just doesn't sit right with me, not being prejudiced towards anything, believe me. I mean, asking if you believe in Santa Claus is the same exact case as if you're asking if you believe in Jesus or some other sort. And no, I'm not one of those Big Bang idiots, some people just tend actually answer things realistically, and not being superstitious.


No, it isn't the same thing. >_>

We can say that Santa and God are not said to exist in the same way. Santa is supposed to be physical, while God is said to be metaphysical.

Then about Santa and Jesus, it still is not the same thing, because Jesus has generally been widely accepted to have existed by scholars, while Santa hasn't.

Also, what is idiotic about the Big Bang?

I also fail to see what is awesome about Valhalla, while the method you are supposed to get into it is by killing people. >_>

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Zero wrote:
Why? I just kind of feel that not believing in something just doesn't sit right with me, not being prejudiced towards anything, believe me. I mean, asking if you believe in Santa Claus is the same exact case as if you're asking if you believe in Jesus or some other sort. And no, I'm not one of those Big Bang idiots, some people just tend actually answer things realistically, and not being superstitious.


No, it isn't the same thing. >_>

We can say that Santa and God are not said to exist in the same way. Santa is supposed to be physical, while God is said to be metaphysical.

Then about Santa and Jesus, it still is not the same thing, because Jesus has generally been widely accepted to have existed by scholars, while Santa hasn't.

Also, what is idiotic about the Big Bang?

I also fail to see what is awesome about Valhalla, while the method you are supposed to get into it is by killing people. >_>


I'm not asking if they actually exist, but if people believe that they exist.

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To answer your question, Zero, I do believe Jesus was a real person. It's been pretty much proven that he exists. Whether or not all of those stories about him are true is the real question.

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Villerar wrote:
I also fail to see what is awesome about Valhalla, while the method you are supposed to get into it is by killing people. >_>


You're rewarded for being a badass warrior and a man. SRSLY. Wake up, fight a kick a** battle with everyone else in Valhalla. Doesn't matter if you die, you magically come back and eat lunch and share stories about the battle you just had. Its like a video game you can play and have epic watercooler moments.

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To answer your question, Zero, I do believe Jesus was a real person. It's been pretty much proven that he exists. Whether or not all of those stories about him are true is the real question.

What we KNOW about Jesus, using Christian and non-Christian texts:
- Jesus was a wise man and was called the Christ or Messiah
- Jesus gained many disciples from many nations
- He healed blind and lame people in Bethsaida and Bethany
- He was accused of practicing sorcery and leading Israel astray
- Under Herod, and during the reign of Tiberius, Pontius Pilate condemned Christ to die
- Christ was crucified on the eve of Passover
- His crucifixion was accompanied by three hours of unexplained darkness
- Christ's disciples, "reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive;"
- His disciples took to the habit of meeting on a fixed day of the week and took their name "Christians" from him
- They gave worship to Christ "as to a god"
- They bound themselves over to abstaining from wicked deeds, fraud, theft, adultery, and lying
- Christians held a contempt for death and were known for a voluntary self-devotion
- Christians believed themselves all brothers from the moment of their conversion
- Christians lived after Christ's laws
- Christians were willingly tortured and even executed for their refusal to deny their belief in the resurrection and deity of Jesus Christ

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I also fail to see what is awesome about Valhalla, while the method you are supposed to get into it is by killing people. >_>


Norse religion is based heavily and fighting and violence. The method was bound to be something along those lines. In their eyes, it was a great thing.


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To answer your question, Zero, I do believe Jesus was a real person. It's been pretty much proven that he exists. Whether or not all of those stories about him are true is the real question.

I believe that Jesus was not one, but many people. And all that s*** about parting the sea and so on is nonsense. Oh, and they found out that the lake he supposedly walked across was actually lightly frozen over at the time of said walking.

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how can they prove that dumbass. thats s*** nonsense itself.

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Captain Blueballs wrote:
To answer your question, Zero, I do believe Jesus was a real person. It's been pretty much proven that he exists. Whether or not all of those stories about him are true is the real question.

I believe that Jesus was not one, but many people. And all that s*** about parting the sea and so on is nonsense. Oh, and they found out that the lake he supposedly walked across was actually lightly frozen over at the time of said walking.

How
I mean, I do think that stuff was s***, but how would they really manage to prove that?

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That seems to be a rather far-fetched story to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Gennesaret
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomictic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Rift_Valley

So it would either be covered in ice during most time of the year or it would never freeze.

Since the Levant is not in the artic, I am inclined towards the latter option.

Using ice as a naturalist explanation is nonsensical, as said before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_on_water

The explanation of a sand bar or a reef are also not congruent with the narrative. There also seem to be a lack of mentioning these features as well.

http://www.ilec.or.jp/database/asi/asi-09.html

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Also, how can a river be rough and partially frozen at the same time? (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=ESV for the passage). Sandbars are equally unlikely if the water was rough.

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Captain Blueballs wrote:
The Ironic Dude wrote:
Captain Blueballs wrote:
To answer your question, Zero, I do believe Jesus was a real person. It's been pretty much proven that he exists. Whether or not all of those stories about him are true is the real question.

I believe that Jesus was not one, but many people. And all that s*** about parting the sea and so on is nonsense. Oh, and they found out that the lake he supposedly walked across was actually lightly frozen over at the time of said walking.

How
I mean, I do think that stuff was s***, but how would they really manage to prove that?

They can study and observe the environment around the area. It's like how they can cut a tree in half and learn loads about it.

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thats s***, you don't understand what the f*** your even talking about.

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The Ironic Dude wrote:
Captain Blueballs wrote:
The Ironic Dude wrote:
Captain Blueballs wrote:
To answer your question, Zero, I do believe Jesus was a real person. It's been pretty much proven that he exists. Whether or not all of those stories about him are true is the real question.

I believe that Jesus was not one, but many people. And all that s*** about parting the sea and so on is nonsense. Oh, and they found out that the lake he supposedly walked across was actually lightly frozen over at the time of said walking.

How
I mean, I do think that stuff was s***, but how would they really manage to prove that?

They can study and observe the environment around the area. It's like how they can cut a tree in half and learn loads about it.

So you're saying that by examining a body of water I can correctly estimate whether or not it was frozen during a VERY specific time frame, nearly 2,000 years ago?

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