i main zelda, and i LOVE HER. just like v0.9, just BETTER. now i can do all sorts of setups thanks to Din's new knockback adjustments, and thunderkicking is more OP than ever.

she's deceptively good. i really like the way she turned out this demo. she looks really slow and clunky on the surface because she's not like super technical or anything but once you figure out how to use her she's a beast. it's a strong contrast to someone like fox. she still has to work really hard for KOs but it's more of a slow, planned out sort of spacy character that puts brain over finger speed vs. someone super quick that pushes your fingers to the limits like fox

I know some people that will switch into Sheik for that reason upon kills. Sheik is slightly more technical.

I agree with everything here, except for the working really hard for kills. Unless I'm having bad Lightning Kick luck Down Smash, Up Smash, UAir, and Back Throw more then get the job done in taking stocks. Side Smash also if the opponent is at high perscents.

i'll give you bthrow and dsmash, both are very potent but have some range issues (zelda's grab is one of the slower ones in the game, but has pretty good range)

usmash/uair tho, don't kill at a reasonable percentage. you'd be better off continuing to try and get a bair. fsmash is escapable if they hold in so I dunno about that being a good example unless people don't know/forget or you hit with the last hit and nothing else.

Down Smash's range is pretty meh since hitbox ends at Zelda's toe, but it is really easy to hit with since it comes out very fast(Idk if it's the fastest Dsmash in SSF2) and can be dash canceled into. It also hits behind Zelda so it's useful on predicting rolls and what not.

And Up/Side Smash are really iffy as kill moves since they both can be DIed and what not. I know Side Smash doesn't kill till 110% and Up Smash at 90%

But UAir kills at around 90%(idk if that's reasonable or naw and it depends on weight.) plus Utilt usually leads into UAir near the top blast line.

How can you people do good with Zelda? She's slow as heck....

What you said is how I feel in PM against Zelda -_-.

But, Zelda only needs to use fair and bair to win.

Ok, that sounds pretty retarded...

Well, its true superficially. She just has to play defensive, and be smart about stuffing an approach. It just so happens that landing a couple fairs and bairs means she gets a kill. I think you only need around 5 depending on the character. They are her best moves, after all. I'm selling her kind of short here though, but her game typically requires landing these at some point.

True, her range isn't exactly good ether.

The thing is yeah Zelda's ground game lacks range but that's why you need to use FAir/BAir for spacing and what not.
You have to use auto dash if you don't want to use a sluggish Zelda. Auto Dash is especially good for Zelda since it gets rid of her situational Ftilt and gives you exclusive access to her godlike dash attack. By the way Dash Attack being something you should be using constantly for Zelda's ground game outside of shorthop FAir/BAirs, Grab, and Down Smash. Dash Attack opens up so many options for Zelda, such as Utilt, Grab, and FAir.

Also Din's Fire is a really good projectile if you know how to hit with it.(Predict where your opponent will go and release it early.) Since it can lead to an edgeguard if it knocks the opponent away and can be followed up with an aerial if it hits them towards you.

Zelda has bad mobility but I find it somewhat releived by Faore's Wind. Faore's also gives Zelda alot of utility if you know how to shortport it to hit on techs or use it to teleport to the ledge from the stage. It's also one of the best and easiest to use recovery moves in the game imo.

Also Zelda kinda makes up for her low ground range with her high powered aerials(barring NAir) and really easy to use shorthop. Also you should also be using Down Smash..for like..everything. It has bad range I know but it's soooo geeewwwd.

Quick note: Breaking a combo with a Lightning Kick is also one of the sweetest satisfactions in the world tbh. The freeze frames are just screaming REJECTED!

Dash-jumping sends characters at ridiculous speeds in this game, and fair and bair are fast, have low endlag, and take stocks at 80% for most characters.

BAir kills at 70% actually, just like in Melee.

Then how about this?

I don't want to pick up a whole 'nother dood just for Kirby