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As much as I like Roy, not only do we have a Roy, they'd need to pull something really good out for Roy, possibly a full moveset change, to put him back. I know Sakurai's view of clones is that "they're a free extra character", but a cloned Roy would be a waste of a a DLC spot.

I have to say I am looking forward to Ryu. Finally him and Luigi can have a contest: Who can shoryuken the most opponents.

As for the Icies. I'd like to see at least one return.

if by "we have a Roy" you mean "we have a Marth clone" then yeah but they're different Marth clones.
i'm not arguing for (or even against) Roy, but saying Lucina = Roy in terms of how they work is wrong


I was talking about Roy Koopa, but I see where I could've been misunderstood.
I'm well aware they work differently, Roy has a sweetspot at the blade centre/hilt and Lucina has no sweetspot. Lucina meteors with her Dair at the tip, Roy has to be practically inside his opponent to do so, as the meteor hitbox is at the sword hilt.

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having two of the same named character isn't an issue, in fact i know of a fighter that did that, as well as a visual novel where two characters shared the same names and it didn't get mixed up

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TSF|CSWooly wrote:
Kuro Kagami wrote:
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As much as I like Roy, not only do we have a Roy, they'd need to pull something really good out for Roy, possibly a full moveset change, to put him back. I know Sakurai's view of clones is that "they're a free extra character", but a cloned Roy would be a waste of a a DLC spot.

I have to say I am looking forward to Ryu. Finally him and Luigi can have a contest: Who can shoryuken the most opponents.

As for the Icies. I'd like to see at least one return.

if by "we have a Roy" you mean "we have a Marth clone" then yeah but they're different Marth clones.
i'm not arguing for (or even against) Roy, but saying Lucina = Roy in terms of how they work is wrong


I was talking about Roy Koopa, but I see where I could've been misunderstood.
I'm well aware they work differently, Roy has a sweetspot at the blade centre/hilt and Lucina has no sweetspot. Lucina meteors with her Dair at the tip, Roy has to be practically inside his opponent to do so, as the meteor hitbox is at the sword hilt.

I can't believe she missed that you referring to Roy Koopa.

Anyway I would rather have Lucina over Roy because she appears more interesting and we have not seen any of Roy in a while besides DLC for Awakening.

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I hate Roy. The only people who want him back are the ones who only played Melee and never actually played his game. If Lucina wasn't in the game I'd understand why people would want him, but as things are? No.

If they add another Fire Emblem character, it need to be someone without a sword. Hector, Ephraim, hell, one of the mounted units. That'd a really neat and unique character.

As for Ryu, I'm not asking for him to be added but I won't mind if he is. Many people (myself included) have fond memories of playing Street Fighter II and Alpha 2 on the SNES. He honestly deserves to be in the game more than Pac-Man does when it comes to being Nintendo-related.

He's usually a pretty boring character, but I think it'd be interesting to see his moveset in Smash Bros. compared to how it is in real different fighting games.

There's people I want in much more than him, but I definitely won't be complaining if he is added.

Roy is also one of the weakest lords in Fire Emblem history

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ZERO_OR wrote:
TSF|CSWooly wrote:
Kuro Kagami wrote:
TSF|CSWooly wrote:
As much as I like Roy, not only do we have a Roy, they'd need to pull something really good out for Roy, possibly a full moveset change, to put him back. I know Sakurai's view of clones is that "they're a free extra character", but a cloned Roy would be a waste of a a DLC spot.

I have to say I am looking forward to Ryu. Finally him and Luigi can have a contest: Who can shoryuken the most opponents.

As for the Icies. I'd like to see at least one return.

if by "we have a Roy" you mean "we have a Marth clone" then yeah but they're different Marth clones.
i'm not arguing for (or even against) Roy, but saying Lucina = Roy in terms of how they work is wrong


I was talking about Roy Koopa, but I see where I could've been misunderstood.
I'm well aware they work differently, Roy has a sweetspot at the blade centre/hilt and Lucina has no sweetspot. Lucina meteors with her Dair at the tip, Roy has to be practically inside his opponent to do so, as the meteor hitbox is at the sword hilt.

I can't believe she missed that you referring to Roy Koopa.

Anyway I would rather have Lucina over Roy because she appears more interesting and we have not seen any of Roy in a while besides DLC for Awakening.


They both suck anyway, one just has fire.

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because she appears more interesting

she's more 2D than the cast of paper mario. i mean roy's not much better, but at least his game didn't come out in 2012
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we have not seen any of Roy in a while besides DLC for Awakening

pre-Smash, we haven't seen Lucina at all until Awakening. we also already have an awakening character, and Lucina will always be worse than Marth if she keeps this "marth without a tipper" deal going on

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Roy is also one of the weakest lords in Fire Emblem history

and this means.. nothing.
robin isn't even a lord. lyn isn't even the best lord in her own game.



i don't care for Roy myself but honestly bringing up how strong of a unit he is in-game doesn't mean s***

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it does when the reasoning is "i don't want him because he's a f*** s*** character"

and i don't want him because he's a f*** s*** character

there you go

like seriously i haven't seen a single person who doesn't only know roy from melee wanting him in


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I hate Roy. The only people who want him back are the ones who only played Melee and never actually played his game. If Lucina wasn't in the game I'd understand why people would want him, but as things are? No.

If they add another Fire Emblem character, it need to be someone without a sword. Hector, Ephraim, hell, one of the mounted units. That'd a really neat and unique character.

As for Ryu, I'm not asking for him to be added but I won't mind if he is. Many people (myself included) have fond memories of playing Street Fighter II and Alpha 2 on the SNES. He honestly deserves to be in the game more than Pac-Man does when it comes to being Nintendo-related.

He's usually a pretty boring character, but I think it'd be interesting to see his moveset in Smash Bros. compared to how it is in real different fighting games.

There's people I want in much more than him, but I definitely won't be complaining if he is added.

Ephraim would kick mayor a**.

And I personally don't hate Lucina, hell I main Lucina, but I can see why people aren't very of her. I don't really understand her popularity myself since I own Awakening and play it religiously. I wouldn't mind Roy myself either, but Lucina fits his role just fine imo. I may play as him, since I really like Marth's playstyle, but I wouldn't really dedicate myself to learning him.

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i can get not wanting him but if you're using that as an actual argument as to why he won't make it in then it's a stupid argument

if he managed to get in before his game released, what makes you think him being s*** in his game will stop him

it's not like him being s*** carries over, or else ike would actually be a good character

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I'll be honest, if I knew Roy from his game first and not melee I wouldn't even care about him because I didn't even bother finishing his game. On the other hand I was more excited on the idea of having Eliwood, Hector or Lyn in as well as Ephraim because he's not wielding a damn sword.

As for Ryu I was more betting on it being a stage DLC than the actual character.

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Kuro Kagami wrote:
i can get not wanting him but if you're using that as an actual argument as to why he won't make it in then it's a stupid argument

if he managed to get in before his game released, what makes you think him being s*** in his game will stop him

it's not like him being s*** carries over, or else ike would actually be a good character

this isn't a f*** "argument", are you serious?

this is people saying "we don't want roy in the game because [x]"

nobody was f*** "arguing". come on.


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qbit wrote:
Kuro Kagami wrote:
i can get not wanting him but if you're using that as an actual argument as to why he won't make it in then it's a stupid argument

if he managed to get in before his game released, what makes you think him being s*** in his game will stop him

it's not like him being s*** carries over, or else ike would actually be a good character

this isn't a f*** "argument", are you serious?

this is people saying "we don't want roy in the game because [x]"

nobody was f*** "arguing". come on.

when we go from terrible arguments to peoples' opinions it's hard to tell lmao, i see where i went wrong though

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Kuro Kagami wrote:
i can get not wanting him but if you're using that as an actual argument as to why he won't make it in then it's a stupid argument

if he managed to get in before his game released, what makes you think him being s#%$& in his game will stop him

it's not like him being s#%$& carries over, or else ike would actually be a good character


Fun fact:
Leif from FE Thracia 776 was actually gonna be the clone character, until sakurai and his team saw sketches for FE Sword of Seals (the one where Roy stars) and decided to use Roy instead because he had fire abilities unlike Leif who was just a regular swordsman like Marth.

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Well Ryu and Roy have been leaked with actual gameplay.

Ryu -
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Info taken from the videos -
Ryu will have his 3 most well known attacks in his moveset somewhere (Shoryuken, Hadouken, and Tatsumaki.)
Ryu will have his 4 most well known attacks in his moveset as specials (Shoryuken, Hadouken, Tatsumaki, and Focus Punch.)
Ryu's Shoryuken doesn't seem to be Little Mac level of recovery.
Ryu's attacks have Street Fighter FX (as demonstrated by his Side Smash. Not sure if it's his Side Smash.)
Apparently that attack with the Street Fighter FX is Ryu's attack "Focus Punch."
Ryu's home stage will be Suzaku Castle (in the background of his last scene.)
Roy so far still seems like a clone.
Roy is still going with his FE6 design, and not his newer design from Awakening. (Surprising how Mewtwo stepped up, but not Roy.)

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