After waiting a while and giving a tad bit of a thought on how I'd personally rework Sora, and after playing Kingdom Hearts II FM on the HD Remix game, I've finally come up with the ideas of what his moveset would be if he did get a rework (along with a sprite rework that he desperately needs to fit in this game). Some of my ideas from earlier on will be retained, but I've also come up with new ideas and even removed old ideas, so yes, Flowmotion is still Sora's Side Special.

Without further ado, here's what my new Sora rework would be like!



Now this would indeed make Sora an even more combo-heavy monster than he already is, so something like Jab 1 > Jab 2 > Up Tilt > Up B > Neutral Aerial > F-Air wouldn't be out of the question. There'd probably be even more complex combos, too. But I think these would also make Sora feel and play a lot better (casually and competitively), would make him fit in line with his series of origin compared to what we have now, and give him much-needed buffs.

Anyway, this is just my thoughts.

All of this is great, specially the new Strike Raid, but I have a few gripes:

• The Dodge roll just seems like a better regular roll done with double tappiing. Seems redundant to me.

• Finishing Leap being a strong strike that sends opponents upwards seems more like a smash attack. I'd suggest switching around Fsmash and Ftilt while making Finishing Leap an actual finisher at high percentages and nerfing Guard Break's kill power.

• Reflect is basically a space animal reflect with multihits you can't use all the time. Feels unnecessary.

• Aerial Recovery after Aerial Sweep seems a little too much to me.

I understand your gripes, and I would like to explain a few things for these things, in hopes to at least convince you of them staying as ideas.

1. Dodge Roll can be more of a burst mobility option for Sora than anything [something he lacks], and it doesn't have nearly as much invincibility frames as something like his regular roll. And keep in mind, Sora's not in shield, so that means before Sora is able to act, he'll be vulnerable. It pretty much acts like it does in the games.

2. I wasn't originally going to consider Finishing Leap as Sora's Forward Tilt, but there was no other option (nope, not Dodge Slash) for me to think of, so it just happened to be that way. Also, if there were a switch like that, then that'd go against what I've established (making the moves as close as possible to the base game) for the proposal. Finishing Leap just so happens to be a combo extender and Guard Break happens to be a combo ender.

3. Reflect isn't meant to just be a reflector move, it's also meant to be a counterattack. The move's active frame window is between 3-18, and allows Sora invulnerability during 1-18, and covers Sora's body. However, like it's meant to be in the KH games, it cannot counter or do anything unless it's struck, so Reflect is meant to be a surprise attack [and also a combo starter].

4. Actually, this is just a little misinformation here. Aerial Recovery would only happen if the player presses Sora's Up B within 10 frames of his hitstun ending (give or take buffering), whereas Aerial Sweep is just Sora's normal Up B. In essence, it's the opposite: it's actually Aerial Recovery > Aerial Sweep if Sora recovers from hitstun, not Aerial Sweep > Aerial Recovery.

You do realize that SSF2 runs at 30fps instead of 60, right? An 8 frame window for a short amount of vulnerability out of anything is way too lenient as well as having 10 frames (read: one third of a second) to completely cancel hitstun and act out of it while being granted invincibility for getting hit in the first place (that sounds stupid in general - it may work well in Kingdom Hearts, but that does not mean it translates well to Smash), and a move that grants instant invulnerability for almost 2/3 of a second sounds ridiculously busted (for reference, Melee Shines, arguably the best moves in Smash, give invulnerability on Frame 1 only), even if you have to cycle through four other spells per use.

I know that SSF2 runs at 30 FPS, that's why I scaled back the counter window to reflect SSF2's framerate. A move with a counter window of 3-18 and 1-18 of invulnerability seems powerful enough, I understand that. If I didn't forget to mention endlag, I would've told you that the endlag of the move would be a massive 22 frames if it whiffs.

Again, I don't want to change how a move reflects (heh) the game it's coming from. Reflect would act almost exactly like it does in Kingdom Hearts II, like everything I've proposed up to this point.

I feel like Soras Recovery, By that i Mean his Up special, Should go up a little bit higher? It just feels like a more complicated 3rd jump

I did a few tests up flowcancel, and not only can flowmotion back alone can end up not doing anything at all (I really have no clue why), but I think a nearly frame perfect timing can make you to flowcancel that can do the actual move backwards (such as flowmotion forwards away from who you hit, completely whiffing flow back cancel down, or getting little weak hits with flow back cancel up). On the bright side, flow up cancel forwards (assuming the forwards connects) might be an interesting lead to combos, and flow forwards cancel back will stop you from flying of to infinity

i don't understand why sora's bthrow has set knockback.

is not a freezing move anymore, right?

I feel Sora really needs a rework. I mean, "Battle of the 99 heartless" is only the 21st challenge, and after MULTIPLE weeks I still can't beat it... MULTIPLE! I get that the Game and Watches were nerfed to silhouette status to ease it up... but I've played this Game for a year or two, Sure i still main Megaman Metaknight Black Mage Sandbag and Wario, but my Sora skills are half decent at the very least!

~JG

^In that particular challenge go to the centre of the stage and spam U-Tilt

Easy win

What exactly IS tilting? I know smash attacks and how if you hold Black Mage long enough he gets that negative zone thing, but I've never known tilting.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Tilt_attack
This should help

Thanks, that really helps, now to kill 99 demo- I mean Heartless... not demons... Totally

I've been honing my Sora skills quite a bit this year, the results have been great, so great that I'm currently ranked at #1 on my local Flash Smasher community here in Venezuela, thanks to my Sora and to my Falco in second place. I've recorded quite a bit amount of matches and I think I have enough replays to show off some basic, intermediate and advanced Sora-specific techniques that could be useful for newer Sora enthusiasts. Should I go on and put together a Sora tutorial video? What do you say, guys?