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That wario vote count tho

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I'm also gonna say that I apologise for everything I said about Lloyd and Ichigo.
Turns out I was very wrong, and I even picked Ichigo back up as a secondary.

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This is just for my play and the characters I main:

My BM's (Black Mage not Bomberman) best MU - DK or Shiek for sure. Unless it's a true DK main who knows him as well as I know BM (in which case I struggle a lot), I have no problem juggling, chain grabbing, and spiking this big oaf. And for Shiek, I think BM's size plays in here. A lot of Shiek's moves just slip right by my BM a lot of the time. Then I can just nair to ftilt. Or stop to dthrow. And since a lot of Shieks rushdown, I just throw out sh nairs or haste to stop them. I think it's the fact that I know this MU pretty well alongside the fact that BM is a bad MU for Shiek is what makes it easier for me. Unless it's a skilled Shiek (like sparty88) I win this MU. No question.

My BM's worst MU - Lloyd. Hate this guy. He has priority over every one of my approaches AND a spammable projectile to limit my movement. Plus his side special's knockback gets me every time. Once I'm over the edge from side spec that's usually it because he'll just edgeguard with demon fang or beast until I slip up on BM's recovery and sd or he hits another side spec for KO. I don't think I ever beat Lloyds with BM. Ever.

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BM vs DK is IMO one of the most polar matchups in the game, and one I would never want to play as DK. DK is forced to approach against a rain of projectiles. If he screws up the approach and gets grabbed or something, then he eats at least 50% and sometimes death, because basically anytime Spinning Kong is used the stock is forfeit. If he gets in, he gets some damage but can't usually kill, because BM doesn't fall prey to fthrow -> fair or Giant Punch setups very well.

I think BM's worst matchup is probably Meta Knight, Zelda, or Pikachu. BM depends so much on edgeguarding that these recoveries all pose serious problems for BM to edgeguard, and all of these characters can get in on BM easily. Also maybe a really good Fox would pose problems, because although Fox gets rekt by BM's punishes, I could see the pressure being totally overwhelming for BM.

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I wanna say Goku, bbbbbut is Chibi Robo

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My vote is still for Wario. He has like no kill moves besides fart, and against a projectile user, its like bullet hell for him. Chibi is kinda meh because he has bair :P

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Now, as a BM main I can tell you that, from my experiences, Mage worst MUs are probably Meta Knight (Rushing char, disjointed, powerful priority, and his NAir it's one of the few things which can destroy Meteor) and Fox (Rushing char, this one is not as bad as MK because Fox is easier to combo, but Mage off-stage= Death).

Wario is probably the worst char atm, with Sora being close second (I voted for Chibi-Robo as a third, but I don't think he's that bad as the other two)

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One godawful nightmare of a MU is MM vs Fox.

Fox outclasses MM in every way, shape, and fashion. :oops:

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I have a feeling that Wario vs. Bowser will be pretty bad for Bowser. Since Bowser is so large and heavyweight, he'll be susceptible to the same problems DK has vs. Wario: vulnerable to long combo strings that can lead to death, vulnerable to chain grabs, getting sucked into Chomp due to large size, being edgeguarded by Chomp pretty easily, and having to work more in order to KO due to Wario being heavyweight. An additional problem for Bowser in the matchup would be having lots of endlag on some of his moves, which gives Wario more time to weave in and punish.

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It depends what they do to Bowser. But that is pretty likely.

He'll really suck against Lloyd or Link. Both have high grab range, projectiles, and generally lots to stop an approaching Bowser

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Lloyd lost a lot of his grab range. Its pretty average now, nothing like Links grab.

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Your projectiles are no match against my powershields.

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Your powershield is no match for my Chomp.

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Your Chomp is no match against my Sonic Thrust.

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