And know how to short hop.

Did u say a player that playing only slow characters like melee Ganon and Roy cause they're not too fast can play a "gotta go fast than melee" Fox ? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED !

Roy is a fast character, he is just bad in Melee.

Yep, most people agree that Fox is free.

There is a lot of characters that are more faster than Roy in melee imo, but this isn't a Roy topic so i don't gonna speak more about it.

I was jk about Fox cause when i play it, i look like the worst player ever, i'm sure i can be beat by Lv1 CPUs with him just for saying how bad i am on Fox. (but Lv9 CPUs are bad too, just i'm too bad with Fox's speed and controls)

is fox fair in melee different than the one in smash 4 and if so do you think he should get his smash 4 fair for more combos

Fox melee fair and smash4 fair are different. and i think he should keep the fair he has in 9b

what are the uses for his fair right now, i havent seen it used much if at all yet even tho my friend mains fox
on the other hand fox's fair in smash 4 can lead into a easy jab lock and be useful for other combos

His smash 4 fair has a auto combo link, which has been shown to be added in beta.

Auto combo links in smash allow certain characters to bring their opponents down, creating a meteor smash effect. This can lead into a lot of combos.

I think this would help his combo game and help set up certain KO options if given to him.

SSF2 Fox fair is actually pretty useful, it's just that the meta is so heavily Melee-centered that I see very little development of it. Things like sliding Shine -> reverse SH fair link cleanly, single-hit fair can be used in certain situations, and it gives you a lot of damage in situations against floaties where you can't do more from comboing. I think the Smash 4 fair is sorta dumb, not least because of fair -> footstool but also just because I think Fox doesn't need it. Having autocombos into everything is a dumb way of making a character good, and having moves that are situational but sometimes effective is a really great way of making a character have room for creativity in comboing.

shouldn't there be a little more stun and or knockback on his shine

no

i disagree because sometimes when i go for the shine spike or do double shine spike they still recover. im pretty sure this is weaker than melee shine

FIYAH

Play better then.

it's not a matter of playing better it's just shine spike is less affective plus im more of a falco player