Actually, could usually just kill by spamming nair/fast fall nair or up air to bair (usually works for me anyway) I just do this if they can just DI out to avoid the of down throw, forward tilt fsmash/turnaround fsmash as .


How is vs ? combos are so deadly when they end with up airs, can DK handle those even though he's a heavy? For anyone who may know this MU (question here meant for and or mains).

s side b is crazy too.

being OP as she is right now, i'd honestly just say she wins vs tbh. Plus, does have a good way of getting past her projectiles? besides perfect shielding?

Wario gets destroyed by Meta Knight. He gets comboed easily and he can't do anything because of his poor range. If MK keeps his distance,Wario can't do anything.

Yeah, I guess i really should keep my distance a lot, and in my experience, D-air and F-air helps a lot against . Just lately since I didn't know I had to stay away from , I found out the hard way that if he gets an up throw on you, you are most likely screwed lol (tho that's just my opinion, still learning that MU) most of his up throws end with a strong up air or waft, so like most people told me for this MU, "don't get hit".

After some matches, I can honestly say, beats .

up b beats B-air.

even during neutral jab, roll, jump, will still grab you through all that and rekt you (not sure about everyone else, but like someone else said, rolls suks).

I swear has smash 4/melee grab range (not sure if same thing about too).

Sometimes when I try to grab , EARLY, his grab still gets me first (I wasn't the host of room, so idk if it's port priority).

And that fact he can't kill them till like past 120% (besides edge guards or up air strings which is almost impossible to pull off), I can honestly say I think also wins the MU too (plus has some nasty/crazy combos too).

is light so he dies so early to them, even when I tried spacing out , his F-air basically just destroys you trying to do that (I swear SH F-air from has low or no end lag, right?).

I think can still put up a good fight if you know your combos and predict where they will tech to and if you can edge guard them properly, but I still think and rekt .

They have a ton of shield pressure, , roll suks, F-air has a really big hitbox I think, and rekts ( and every other light character I guess), really fast, can SH F-air or D-air you right into a grab and you can't run away from their grab cause of the range they have with it, and SH N-air to grab if you shield the N-air(I think).

I don't think has any good defensive options against these 2, or at-least against .

Sure I can jump/fly out of shield, but guess what, 's grab range will still get you even if you trying to fly away so rip.

's tech roll.. LUL

If we were to put numbers, IMO, for vs it would be 45-55 favor and vs 40-60.

Again, this is mostly my opinion.



This image is what I think of 's grab and F-air range.

There's another MU I wanna talk about. Many people including some MK mains i've talked to in discord say that loses to . After I've fought many (i'm pretty sure mostly good ones), Imho, I think vs is even.

The only projectile I see as a big problem is crash bomb (maybe that's just me), and for some reason, if you up throw the mega man with crash bomb on early enough, the bomb will disappear, and you can space out mega and hold shield till bomb explodes, and if you time it right, even if they grab you while shield till the bomb explodes the bomb will explode and get you out the grab.

I'm not saying crash bomb is useless, i'm just saying there are some ways to deal with it if people see it as such a big threat as MK imo.

Pellets keep him out? has anyone tried using some of their jumps to try D-air to get in?

I know his up tilt has super armor, and so does his up b, but MK can still edge guard him mostly with B-air.

I also heard Mega mans up tilt is laggy?

Water wave (if that's the name of it)I do see as a good move to help prevent some attempts of edge guarding or up b kill attempts.

Even if mega man does win the MU I don't think it's by a lot, but again I honestly think this MU is even between and .

Unless anyone else wanna explain to me why mega man just wins that MU?

Again, just my opinion.

I don't mind a response so feel free to talk about this MU.

Edit: I was told his pellets are lagless so they could sheild if MK tried to fly over and D-air. Hmm

Roast my updated Kirby MU chart.

Ok, so it seems like some people in the dreamland discord thinks beats , guess i'm the only one who struggles in that MU then lol (we at-least agree he struggles against DK).

"An mk that knows how to weave in and out of Bowser's range kind of leaves Bowser defenseless
his projectile is slow as **** and not really that well aim-able so its easy to avoid".

Updated my Kirby MU chart

Pac-Man and Kirby Matchup is 55:45 in Pac's favor or possibly even depending on how you look at it. Having bonus fruit from inhaling pac-man is a HUGE advantage. It gives Kirby ways to approach from afar, it gives Kirby a lot more kill setups with z-dropped fruits to hammer as guaranteed. And Kirby can abuse his floatiness to camp out on a ledge and to setup traps with fruits. And Kirby gets a fantastic ledge traping game with fruits as well along with the z-drop galagas and key/bell shenanigans. These attributes compliment Kirby's great wall of pain and fantastic damage racking/combo game. However it is an issue to actually win in neutral against pac-man once to the point where you can inhale pac-man. Mega Man might be a little worse of a matchup for kirby as well due to the fact that it is near impossible for kirby to win in neutral and mega man pretty much invalidates all of kirby's moves and the stupid armor on his up-b makes edge guarding him hard as hell.

Please don't use red text, it's irritating to the eyes and reminds some people of certain people

Like you, user of super small white text?

Kirby beats Luffy. Get his copy power and then chaingrab him to 70.

And it's very easy because Luffy commits hard to everything

Kirby loses to range which Luffy has on many of his moves. Even if his hurtboxes do extend allowing you to hit him you wont be able to react fast enough to hit him every single time.
Also you can't chaingrab Luffy as Kirby.

heres my fox mu chart. i plan on teachin yall decent neutral in a video or sumthing so this can actually apply to all of u xd