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MG Mafia XVII: JoJo's Bizarre Mafia (Fin) 

Who should host next game?
Poll ended at Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:48 pm
CXCIV - Turnabout Mafia (Ace Attorney) 63%  63%  [ 12 ]
Terra - All-stars 2 (Roles based on previous mafia game roles) 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
TheOneWhoKnocks - DotA-themed Mafia (Roles based on heroes from the games) 16%  16%  [ 3 ]
Axel - Kibgdom Hearts Mafia (uPick setup) 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 19

MG Mafia XVII: JoJo's Bizarre Mafia (Fin) 
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That's either the best Mafia play I've ever read or the worst Town play I could ever possibly see.


Well, the only way to convince people like you KA is to claim.

Hah, not at all. Good logic can win me over, just as it can other people. Honestly though, getting angry and voting yourself IS BY NO MEANS HELPFUL.

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So, under DJW request, I'm going to make a full ISO on Geno and come with a read based on it.

I'm ignoring all posts before this one because none of them appear relevant. Before this particular post, Geno had been away of the game.

His first relevant post appears at Sept 22th.

Dr.Geno wrote:
Vanellope wrote:
And as much as this hurts myself to say so....

THAT WAS AXEL LEVEL PATHETIC.

Not quite.

Terra wrote:
L-2 by my count. I'll claim as soon as it reaches L-1.

C'est la vie. I'll respond to all accusations soon.

What will being at L-1 make any different? You'll just be at risk of a hammer.

Nobody vote Terra past this point. If you want to claim (as if a claim would really change much, since there's no proof), then claim.


Here Geno plays the safe card, in an action any reasonable town player would do. Nothing to be surprised of, but still good.

Dr.Geno wrote:
Terra is lumping me as scum even though I made like two posts, one of which prevented him from being hammered

lol

Again, been afk for a while now because i'm setting up the school semester, but I'm catching up now. post soon


I did a first answer to this post, but now I can improve it:
Terra can put you as scum precisely because you did that. If you were scum, after a while of inactivity, putting yourself on the town spotlight by your last post (which again, is something any reasonable town player would do) is a well-crafted way to avoid possible scum reads so early, and still keeping the pressure on Terra.

However, I will agree that, at the time, it looked as a desperate maneuver from him, even as OMGUS if you want to think of it that way.

Something that has appeared to me as unusual is the following.

This post is from sept 30, 2:58 PM

Dr.Geno wrote:
Requesting minor deadline extension

Terra isn't going to get away that easily, he needs to detail his role before he gets lynched if you guys still plan on doing so. I haven't analyzed the game well enough yet to have a very informed opinion on him.


Notice how Geno appears unnattached to the idea of a Terra lynch.

Inmediatly after (Sept 30, 6:00 PM)

Dr.Geno wrote:
Nobody hammer until we have a confirmation from the mod on whether or not we're getting an extension. If we aren't i'll hammer i guess, since it doesn't look like there are many other people who aren't voting and are semi active.


Now Geno appears willing to hammer a lynch he wasn't particularly attached to just hours before.

AND NOW FOR THE MOST NOTORIOUS CHANGE

Dr.Geno wrote:
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With Terra telling the truth and back in the game, we should probably reconsider who we decide to hammer next time...But still take a bit of caution.

Excuse me?

We lynched the person who seemed like they were scum. We shouldn't "reconsider" anything. The person we lynch should consider playing better.

You're essentially saying "don't lynch anyone, they could be town!". Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

Oh my god QFT x1000

Terra's play was nauseatingly bad. Super sketchy, hardly followed up on anything and relied WAY too much on "meta" for his own good. They all point toward scum tells. It wasn't the town's fault.


Here Geno pulls a reverse Thomas. Thomas situation was to be part of Terra's lynch Day 1 and then blaming us for it. Geno, on the other hand, barely participates on Terra's lynch (and he doesn't act really convinced on it) and then later pulls the whole list of reasons to defend that particular lynch. While I don't particularly disagree with any of them, his overly open defense to the lynch of a player which ended up being town is something that shakes me a bit.

In fact, at that particular point, he defends my vote threat on Terra, when that's than obviously stupid idea (voting a confirmed town is retarded, you know).

Then the whole Vanellope affair happens, and I'm curious. Geno keeps the pressure on him because of a mistake, while he doesn't admit his own mistake (hammering Terra) or mine (threating to vote Terra once confirmed). This appears unnatural, and almost biased against Vanellope (it's not like he doesn't deserve it anyways...)

With all those posts, I'd like to keep thinking he's town, but I'm not sure. However, everything I've said so far is only circumstancial evidence and nothing which proves him scum. As such, I'm modifying my Geno read:

Null, leaning towards scum


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If I see one more town post like this I'm quitting MG mafia. Or at least putting anyone who self votes and flips town on an instant MG black list. I'm that fed up with it. VERY untown.


THIS. From now on I'm treating any self vote as a scumslip. This includes you Shoop.

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Prodding Deciton_Reven and Kyuubutt.


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Whoops sorry forgot all about this because of Pokémon

Give me some time to go back over everything and see if anything stands out.


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Dr.Geno wrote:
If you were concerned about your role security, then it's probably not a good idea to get on everyone's case regarding Terra (who was scummy). Those don't correlate. It was a small gesture. Everyone turned it into a big deal Also:


"No, I'm just sick and tired of fighting a losing battle, and I'm not going by a meta.

Eh, screw this. Vote: Thomas"

If I see one more town post like this I'm quitting MG mafia. Or at least putting anyone who self votes and flips town on an instant MG black list. I'm that fed up with it. VERY untown. Well, I'm fed up about the fact that it's turning into a repeat of yesterday. It really doesn't matter at this point because I can bet dollars to donuts that I'm probably not going to make it another day.


King Arthur wrote:
Thomas Terminator wrote:
King Arthur wrote:
That's either the best Mafia play I've ever read or the worst Town play I could ever possibly see.


Well, the only way to convince people like you KA is to claim.

Hah, not at all. Good logic can win me over, just as it can other people. Honestly though, getting angry and voting yourself IS BY NO MEANS HELPFUL.


When you step into my shoes in my home life, you'll understand why I got angry and did what I did.

and to let everyone know:

I was never in support of a Terra lynch at all >.> I've explained this in previous Mafia games that I was active in that I will lock in a vote if i'm in support of a lynch.

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My opinion on Terra changed because I went back and read. Before that point I hadn't read really any of older D1 posts at all.


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Why did you hammer if you weren't convinced of the lynch?

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It just occured to me that we have an uncounterclaimed reviver, and a revived dude.

Thomas is confirmed town.

Vote: Dr. Geno

Went through the Day 1 hammering phase.
This post irks me: viewtopic.php?p=1252022#p1252022

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Also "We can lynch him tomorrow, I guess"

On earth dude? So you can get a free night kill and a guaranteed mislynch for Day 2?

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Ahaha, holy s***. The things you miss.

Vote: Dr. Geno


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My vote isn't on anyone. How could I let this happen?
AAAAAALLLL ABOOOAAARRRDDD Vote: Geno

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"We can lynch him tomorrow" got me.

Vote: Dr. Geno

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Vote: Dr. Geno

I'm just going to be straight forward here:

I apologize for voting myself in anger...I received some heartbreaking news yesterday...and it involves one of our fellow Mafia players/MG users dying in the line of duty...and I pretty much broke down and couldn't handle it...

Please excuse my immature behavior. It should be in check from here on out.

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Thomas Terminator wrote:
Vote: Dr. Geno

I'm just going to be straight forward here:

I apologize for voting myself in anger...I received some heartbreaking news yesterday...and it involves one of our fellow Mafia players/MG users dying in the line of duty...and I pretty much broke down and couldn't handle it...

Please excuse my immature behavior. It should be in check from here on out.

Wait- what?


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Flash & Flame... died?

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