Yeah pichu is in bottom 3 with sonic and Goku.

Two out of the three characters you've named aren't even bottom three material.

I quite agree with you. Sonic was in pretty bad shape in 1.3.0 when I played as him.

Picnic has no range in a mega where range is key ,is easily killed, can't kill, and can,t recovery after 50%. Sonic has almost no range, can't kill, has weak attwcks, a terrible side-b and just terrible moves that are either slower then a Falcon Punch or weaker then Lucas's pummel. Defintly both bottom 3. IDK bout Goku tho the, ask Strif

Guys, PsychoSSF2 is in future.

he has the ganondorf version

You're not wrong with most of these, but saying that he can't kill is just lying. Moves like b-air, f-smash, d-air, and side-b (though situational) hit pretty hard. And his frame data is either equal or outright better than Pikachu's, so he doesn't have a lot of trouble winning neutral either. And I think his bad recovery after 50% is over-exaggerated. His horizontal recovery in a Discharged state is among one of the best in the game, but his up-b almost goes no distance. In all honesty, if you don't lose your jump or if you can stay near to the ledge after getting launched, you're good.

Sonic's range is moderately okay for a brawler. Sure, the moves that have him curl up into a ball aren't good in reach, he still has his speed to help him approach. Sonic's kill power isn't stellar, but his offstage gimp game is pretty good (if you can find a way to set up that is). And if you think any of Sonic's normals are slower than the Falcon Punch (which comes out on Frame 22 for your information), then you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

don't you know an expression? I was saying that sonic's normals that do have range and kill power are slow.

There's a huge gap between exaggeration and being factually wrong. You did not say that he had range, nor did he have any kill power at all. Besides, this isn't really the place to make "exaggerations" either because what you say in a Tier List Discussion thread will not be taken is an ironic opinion.

https://ask-dry-bowser.tumblr.com/image/181913675237

Here's the link to see my tier list.

why are rayman, Simon and Krystal on here? why is good not bottom 5? why is Fox the worst? Why isn't sonic the worst? why is Kirby and black mage high tier?

To answer your question about Simon, Rayman and Krystal, it's because of the 1.2 update being revealed by the time this link was revealed.

I don't know what you mean by "good." Try and be more specific on that, then I'll answer that question.

Fox is the worst because of his distance with Up-B, his short jump height, and Blaster barely dealing any damage and stun, unlike Falco's.

I put Sonic in Mid-Tier because he is a pretty cool fighter. I know he has a bit of problems, but he has pretty decent recovery with Spring Jump, Sonic Eagle (his F-Air) can meteor smash, and because he has a really good matchup status with Tails and Goku.

(I think you know why I put Kirby in High Tier. ---> https://forums.mcleodgaming.com/viewtop ... 17&t=47085)

Anyways, Black Mage is in high tier with Kirby Kirb because he can follow up Haste with his Up Air, Down Air (once or twice!), and Forward Air, not to mention that if he does so, he can use Up B to get back to the stage pretty fast. (He won't even be that far down into the blast zone!) Not to mention, that if you hit with D-Air at the right moment when the opponent is trying to get back on the stage, it can meteor smash and send them off screen.

why the f*** is Peach in bottom 5? She is one of the best characters in the game. Her turnips are extremely oppressive and can force the opponents to approach. They're difficult to avoid if used properly, and they're great edgeguarding tools. Z-dropping them is extremely useful because it can true combo in any aerial or upsmash (but mostly just nair). and it can be done out of shield. Her dsmash is broken, it does massive damage and if it hits, and massive shield damage too. It's hitbox is huge and the move is almost safe enough to just throw out and not be punished for it. She can even get an follow up from landing dair directly into dsmash. Speaking of which, her dair is super useful, if used while floating it true combos into nair, which is also amazing. Nair comes out frame 4 and can kill really well. It can even kill with the late hit at reasonable percents. It can also combo into itself at low percents on nearly every character. Her fair is also extremely strong, it can kill at like 90% near the ledge. Her throws are also really good. Uthrow and Dthrow are amazing combo starters at almost any percent, and Fthrow and Bthrow can be used a kill options at high percents. Her upsmash is also very strong. And I haven't even mentioned how good floating is. It allows for so many more good options like approaching with aerials on the ground. She can DJC airdodge to get out of combos if she has her jump. It can help with stage control and stalling high above your opponent to stall out their invincibilty timer or just stalling in general. It lets her edgeguard much better and gives her and insane recovery. Her recovery is one of the best in the game even. She has a really high double jump, her side-b lets her gain additional height w/ a wall, float lets her stallfor a long time and re-allow her to use side-b on the wall again, and her up-b goes quite high and can snap to the ledge very easily. There's a lot more good about her I could mention, like dtilt, utilt, uair, and bair, but I think you get my point. She is top 5 easily


also wtf those are some of the best things about fox

Maybe, I didn't put this right... Fox's range with Fire Fox is incredibly short like in the official games, once you're near the blast zone and use it if you're not even close to the edge, yello-goodbye and good luck. His short jump height, on the other hand, makes him invulnerable to up tilts and up smashes, and even more immune to down-air attacks.

also Goku should be bottom 3 not top 3 lol this isn't 1.0.2