Just going to pull this thread out of left field, but yeah, it's a thread that can focus on discussing the balance (or balance issues) of characters or stages in Super Smash Flash 2 Beta. I think it would be fun to see what the community thinks about the balance of the game so far.

And maybe if we whine really loudly, they'll listen to us.

The only PROBLEM I've noticed is 's ridiculous back throw chain. (EDIT: This problem has since been patched.)

Everything else I've heard, there's not enough evidence yet.

Yea, even when playing meta knight, being stuck in s infinite jab isn't what I would like to call fun/competitive.
Imo, he's ssf2 beta ice climbers to me (melee reference).

I think might need a little buff.

s up smash can't kill unless it's a really high percent, or at-least doesn't kill as early as most other characters up smashes do.
But maybe that doesn't need a buff.

Like I said in a thread, I think controlling where her up b goes might make recovering a little easier?

Also a curious question, why is up b bringing them down instead of sending them up? Idk if this happens, but doesn't it make the person it hits in a situation for edge guarding let them come closer to down air you? Any other mains out there experience that or seen how good her up b could be?

Just my opinions, no need for hate comments .

Also to note, most of what I said here could be wrong, but most of this stuff I've said is my experience when playing online players (mostly laggy matches so escaping using down special was obviously hard, at-least for me).

I personally believe that the developers need to look at Sora's kit and realize that his power isn't there. His combos are, just not the power he needs to actually close off a stock efficiently.

Oh, and they should probably look at Galaxy Tours and probably make it to where all five variations could be selected on the stage select screen, via a secondary screen when selecting the stage itself, or putting them in their own spot all together by moving the list around. It'd help out for people who don't like the randomness.

And a personal pet peeve of mine is how Peach's Down Smash does ridiculous damage.

This. I used to be highly in favor of legalizing Galaxy Tours as a counterpick, but then someone in the Back Room Discord pointed out how the randomness could be abused in a tournament setting.



That argument's what convinced me to be in favor of banning it.

I don't think a second screen is necessary, though. Random should still be the default, because that's kind of that stage's thing. I think choosing a specific form should be like the official games; holding down a button while it's loading. Maybe the four directions and Shield to switch between the five.

That could definitely work and be possible for the developers to do. Hopefully they do implement this at some point in Beta's life cycle.

Also, they should find ways to make some of the stages more competitive, too, while retaining their fun aspects.

Kirby needs:
-More hitstun on Up tilt so it can combo better
-A stronger Bair so Kirby for better and more reliable kill options.
-Stronger Dair. Doesn't have to be 0.9b strong, just stronger than the current Dair (the current Dair isn't very good)
-Maybe make F-Smash a little stronger
-Make Down Smash a bit stronger, it's somewhat weak in Beta.
-Increase Kirby's grab range.

With these changes Kirby should have an easier time killing and combo better.

remove isaac from the game i think thats fair

Hmm, how about a little more range (just a little) on s down special and or back air?

Pikachu's down B could potentially knock enemies to the side rather than up, idk it would be a bit less ridiculous. even making it back into a spike would be more desirable

peach turnips need better priority
bowser up b less ridic
remove isaac
buff zss and bbm

upthrow nerf 1.0.2 on sonic was unnecessary
megaman isn't THAT broken but he's very annoying to play against atm (isaac too)
sandbag needs more mobility, even if nerfs are needed to compensate. He's just not really that fun beyond a casual level
give gnw better throws >:^(

In general I have more issues with the game as a whole with the majority of the top tiers nerfed. Killpower seems to have gone down significantly, with many of games I do 650+ damage. It's just much more slow paced and floaty, and I hate that sm4sh feeling.

Also, less shield stun please. I really don't know who thought the extra shield stun was a good idea. Shields are so bad in this game.