"I use this character so I know how good/bad they are"

Thats not saying much at all.
I wish people would actually emphasize what they mean, but then again that'll probably show how little they really know so w/e.

lol rekt

Let's get serious for a second. Sm4sh Dedede is definitely trash in comparison to his brawl self.
That tier list is still pretty unaccurate, I'm pretty sure there's plenty of characters worse than Zelda.

Like who? The official tier list has Zelda at the bottom.

The bottom 5 order is hard to place but D3 definitely is there, and even as much as I try to bring my D3 to top play it's hard knowing the amount of issues this character has. He has a good grab yes, but as that video I posted says he has no way to guarantee a kill and has no safe moves that kill either. In neutral D3 has 2 options throw Gordo's desperately trying to hit someone with it or random Dtilt's since his approaches are so damn obvious.

Thanks for that input, although I was hoping for him to actually elaborate on what makes this tier list "pretty inaccurate" because it somewhat comes across as mostly Dedede salt.

Seems like I should've worded my post better.
I was trying to end the conversation regarding D3 and was pretty much defending Zelda with that.
Mii Gunner is definitely worse than Zelda.
You know, I think I'm gonna stop discussing about tiers, I definitely suck at those lol

I feel that shulk and lucas are too low
and maybe roy is low too?...

I'd say there pretty much the right area shulks frame data is the man thing that is going to hold him back alot. Roy's disjoints aren't that good because you always have to be close to someone and his weight and recovery are pretty bad. Lucas is probably one of the more worse DLC characters next to mewtwo before he got the buffs and maybe roy. He is way to floaty has sucky range on most of his attacks kinda struggles at getting guaranteed follow up of his throws. The only main key buff lucas had was his grab being faster and having less cooldown. Lucas and Roy are probably my two least favorite DLC characters anyway along with maybe mewtwo. This is mainly my experience with the character you do not have to agree with me any tier list is debatable. This tier list is mostly accurate I would say. Mewtwo I have not used as much after the patch.

Roy seems like a really good character in lower level play where good spacing is less common

He hits hard, he's fast, yeah. His sweetspot is also easy to space because all you have to do is hug your opponent. But he has no good confirms, he's horribly unsafe on shield (unless you hit with the tip, which is useless) and his recovery is so bad. His kills all rely on reads.

In higher level play, Marth comes out to be the better character. With proper spacing, he hits harder than Roy AND he's safe on shield. He has decent kill confirms and his recovery is a bit better.

I think id actually prefer marth over roy but thats b/c I dont have any of the dlc yes it sucks to be poor

Adding to the fire, (no pun intended), Roy's aerials pretty much only autocancel from a full hop and he suffers from a fair amount of endlag, so that's a bit of a negative for him.
I actually intended for Roy to have the same place as Lucina on the list, but my initial idea was that he would be a place lower than Lucina because of Marcina getting the Mewtwo treatment.

The thing about mewtwo that still makes me not want to use him though is that he is too light too big I do not really like his down throw all that much and he still is a little with movement on some of his attacks.

Stop using Down throw then, Mewtwo is an unorthodox character that has lots of things going for him now with his new buffs. If you try and play Mewtwo like every other character of course you won't do well with him.