And your way was better? Attracting a bandwagon on a player with zero posts based purely on meta?

OK. Now we've got a lot to sort through. Before I begin,
ARTHUR, GENO, THOMAS, PLEASE POST MORE ASAP, THANKS

@Champ: I think that Kyuubit is town mainly because of his refutation of setup speculation, and the way he argued. While he hasn't said anything else(probably busy or something), I'm fairly confident in this read, at any rate.

Here's something interesting I've found when it comes to Genis. When it came to Breaking Bad Mafia and his time playing scum, he tended to rely quite a lot on his information advantage in order to trick the town through and through. Considering that he seems to be partaking quite a lot in setup speculation, I'll have to do a bit more research on his town meta, but this strengthens my read on him a bit more.

Also, Genis is right. Often I've seen town players be far more defensive than scum: this is generally because scum have more information than town, and while towns can sometimes be off track and not know it, the scum have an information edge, allowing them to remain calm under pressure. As with most of my tells, this is quite player-specific, so I'll do a bit of research on Genis.

@Brik: I hate having to defend myself on meta, but here I go.


By it's not universal, I meant that it doesn't apply in every single situation. Players that are far too reliant on me screaming at everyone as town often fail to notice the more subtle parts of my townself. An excellent example of how this eventually lead to the town's downfall was Star-Crossed, where, after I took back my half-hearted null-scum read on Nixter, got me suspected, as many people thought it was a scum move. Then, I failed to defend myself and then gave up, which was taken as an uncharacteristically scum move on my part, which got me lynched. As Blood said(with spelling/grammar edits),


@Nixter: It's not the RQS itself that I'm concerned with: it's the manner in which it was applied. I felt the questions were for the most part useless, and because he used it when the RVS was still going on, I felt it was a distraction at best and a diversion at worst, which, combined with his setup speculation, made me concerned with whether he actually wanted to help the town or not.

More coming soon but let's just say I have a feeling that Dephius may be misunderstood. Need to double-check, though, to make sure it's not a stupid case that gets town lynched/suspected(I'm a bit prone to that: Ramsey D1 in 14 and Axel in 17).

Something has caught my eye while reading the topic from the beginning.

After Brikanorak called for a bandwagon on Terra, but before actually explaining why, Nixter said something that I found suspicious:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you thought that your teammate was trying to catch scum in some sort of trap, wouldn't you want to stay quiet about it so the "trap" might actually work?

Instead, you revealed the possibility that it could be a trap, which could be to prevent either of your scumbuddies from falling for it.

Vote: Nixter

What do you have to say to that?

Pre-edit: Begone, ninja!

Sorry about that, fixed.

Because I knew it would only work for a short while, so I decided to expose it so anyone who was wondering about why Brik did that would get the message and move onto something else.

That's what I have to say to that.

Assuming that was the purpose it didn't work.People have still asked brik about that.

According to Mr. Brikanorak himself, he wanted a bandwagon on Terra because of an issue involving his meta.

There's no way for you to know for certain that it was a trap or that it would "only work for a short while."

Pre-edit: I can handle my own arguments, thank you.

I only assumed that was the reason.

Let's say that it was the reason.

How do you think it benefits the town by revealing it as a trap for unsuspecting mafia?

Because it clearly wasn't working, there was voting action past it when I posted that, and none of it had to do with Terra, therefore I see it as null if no one took the bait.

What player would have taken the bait anyway? Who's stupid enough to vote for a player because someone else simply said they should with no explanation?

exactly, it would only work on the most naive players

Wait wait wait. This isn't going to get anywhere if we keep asking each other questions without answering them. I'll answer yours if you answer mine. Deal?


Well, my way did get the game moving so... yes?

In case my last post didn't make it clear, I was trying to make a point about how silly it is to use meta as a primary scum-hunting tool and how it's general importance is grossly exaggerated. What we should be focusing on is more of what Franziska did when she questioned Nixter's motivation for exposing my bait: looking at what people are posting in this game and making them answer for it.

I attempted to use humour to communicate my idea. See:
and:

It was supposed to be funny... : /


Alright. Now you answer my questions. Assuming that the speculation discussion had gone off without a hitch, where would have moved the game next? How?

that didn't seem like a joke whatsoever...

How was anyone supposed to figure out that was a joke?

We would have found a way to get the game moving. Someone would have slipped, we would have targeted each other with questions, and yes, that sounds slow and inadequate, but it's way better than making a poorly communicated joke telling people to bandwagon, which, I don't think was a joke. I think you WERE serious about lynching Terra, and you're playing it off as "Oh hey I was parodying bad plays" so you wouldn't get put under suspicion. Why use humor in the first place? I thought the Mafia community had panned it after Shoop kept making jokes.