Yeah, same. He's a very stupid person, but I seriously doubt anyone would be stupid enough to try claiming vig to cover over their Mafia kill unless they were ridiculously desperate. Especially not this early in the game and when not under much pressure.

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Can we try to be civil? It's just a game, calm down.

Don't call others stupid.

If you don't want to be called stupid, don't vigkill somebody on night 1.

Fair enough, but I would like to keep it on somewhat friendly terms. No reason to be a douche to anyone, no matter how dumb they are.

Well u had very little reasons to vigkill on night 1.It can be a "stupid" thing to do but i agree with you no need to get all mean.

Allright, I've got a few things I need to say right now.
Bandwagon on me was very interesting. People who seemed like they wanted to lynch for the sake of lynching me are listed on my suspects: this is more of a gutfeel thing, but I think it's quite safe to say that people lynching for the sake of lynching are generally scum.
I felt that Axel's relatively late vote on me was a sign of cautiousness: he didn't want to vote me too early, as he thought that caution is town etc. I'll look at the wagon again, as I'm still not too sure, but I'm very confident I'll get more than I have right now.
I've seen scum claim vig before: heck, in one of my recent games iirc the mafia ninja claimed vig, so just because Axel claimed vig doesn't let him off, nor does his meta(that's very ironic, though, coming from me).
Axel's early claim may be a sign of desperation/uncautiousness, but honestly I'm not entirely sure whether he doesn't claim early as scum(iirc in 15 he claimed on D1 under not much pressure, quite sure there are safeclaims in this game as well). Of course, this could all just be a plan, which is entirely possible given that crazier plans have been executed in the past.

Call it completely taking things too far, but I'm quite confident in this so far:
TOWK, DJ, Brik, 194 town.
Geno, Thomas null-town.
Kyuubit, Arthur null.
Axel, Champ(subject to further info), Reven scum.

Strongest on left, in case of null, town>scum.

Still busy so not as much as I would like. If I have to keep posting like this I'll replace out.

WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE TIME

Geno, your ability didn't work on him... because I jailkept you last night.

I think you two should maybe spend some time apart. For the good of the town

I have a question for Vanellope however.

At this time, you assure you killed Shoop because you had a strong scum read on him (or rather, I assume you are a good enough player to not kill someone unless you have a strong scum read on that person). I couldn't find your reads on Day 1 (at least not posted by yourself), but you referred Deph's reads on Sept 25th. Those reads go as follows:



Since you stated these reads were "pretty similar" to yours and you didn't state any disagreement, I'll assume those are your reads at least on the general lines.

So, two questions:

1) Who kills null reads? Null, even when "leaning scum", is not strong enough to warranty a kill, especially not as early as Night 1.

2) Even if I accept your decision of killing a null read, why Shoop and not, let's say, me?

BTW, I just noticed how that description on Shoop's read doesn't match at all with the final verdict: it says "Shoop is helping" and then concludes "he must be null and probably scum".

That makes, like, no sense at all.

These were Vanillope's reads on page 11. (I didn't find more recent ones)

Actually, if 194 didn't jailkeep Geno, he would have gotten a read on 194, thanks to my own ability. I do believe Axel/Vanellope is town, (Or possibly 3P, but I doubt it.) however, he made a decision almost as bad as my Night 1 lightning rod last game. The only other current lead we really have is Thomas, though, but before voting him, I'd like him to at least put out another post.

Ugh this sucks. Real sick right now
Gonna be V/LA until Sunday, going on vacation

>_>

Actually, wait a sec. Doesn't there seem to be a pattern with Axel's constant vanishing? Knowing him, it's highly possible that he's telling the truth, but he could possibly be abusing what we think of him. I don't remember him doing it as town, now that I think about it, and he did it in Breaking Bad Mafia, where he was scum iirc.

When I have time I'll do a look through all of the instances where it happened.