When am I ever okay

Could anyone tell me how many frames does it take to hit with Down-B and how many does get-up roll (don't know his name) take before you're vulnerable again?

Lloyd definitely needs to be nerfed. The grave blade should only hit you if:
1. You are within range, a range that's the same as Samus' neutral special.
2. On the same level. Right now it can hit if you are a bit above or below... reduce the vertical range.
3. You are on the same platform. This means if you are on one platform on battlefield and Lloyd is on the other, he can't hit you from across the map.
4. It can be perfect shielded.
5. Does not launch you closer to him.

Demon fangs should not cause flinch.

His moves have the longest lasting hurtboxes (like sonic thrust) that hit you after the initial thrust. Take this off as it does not allow him to be punished.

His aerial sword swings have virtually no start up lag or ending lag. I can literally short hop all day versus three teamed ai computers vs me and only lose one stock.

To contribute to topic: 'lloyd bork, nurf plz mclodo, hitboxes, swords, speed, nurf.'
I find it strange that no lloyds online use his low % chaingrab, it's not very taxing execution-wise and it's like 30% for free.

Gee Idk, maybe because this is the LLOYD THREAD

D Air does have landing lag, it's just the silly hitbox it has that makes it a problem.

^ Thunder Jolt spamming butthurt Pikachu player was here.

Lol I don't even play with pikachu

This has got to be the stupidest complaint yet. If you get hit by Grave Blade, it is ENTIRELY your fault. You can dodge it, shield it, and JUMP over it for crying out loud.

A loosely timed grave blade can stop most characters from teching when hitting the ground. It is easy to get hit with it when you don't expect it to hit you because you're not on the same horizontal plane or on a different platform. Jumping is ineffective in that while you're jumping, Lloyd is already charging at you with a sonic thrust. Don't insult people just because you disagree.