With some stages and characters you can drop from the ledge, jump and then wall jump off the ledge into another attack but it's a really quick input.

Man I have been getting my a** beat on smashladders lately. I mainly been using cloud though so it might be his recovery that I am having trouble getting around.

Your issue might be that you're still on For Glory 2.0.

''Sees your name appear and suspects that you have nothing nice to say like your usual self''. For Glory 2.0 Yoh go play smash ladder before making that baseless statement.

Whatever you say wifi warrior lmao.

Not true combos necessarily, but still pretty fun to watch.

Why'd you edit out what you said before? : )

Seemed mean.

Who's the most buffed character from the patches. I've been playing with a lot of buffed characters recently. I been using Ike and Dank Pit.

i'd have to say Ike honestly. went from one of the worst to at least top 25

what actually changed about him

i hear people say he changed but i never noticed anything huge. he's been my fav since day one (and brawl) though (context: im pleb)

I actually didn't play with him that much before but wow. I didn't know that he was that bad before.

Frankly Ganondorf, Bowser, Ike, MK, Zelda and Shulk have received the most buffs, but Ike and MK are the only ones who's buffs has truly helped them out and have them seen as good characters, Shulk is debatable.

@term
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Ike_(SSB4)#Update_history
Frankly better combo ability, faster attacks and a little bit more range in some of them.

A lot of frame data buffs, better rewards off of grabs, more kill power, and altering the angles and range of some of his attacks.

Pink Fresh pulling out the bayo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSaVzm6GeTE

What are cloud's more favorable matchups. I know ZSS is one of them.