That's pretty funny if you really think Lloyd and Little Mac are the same in terms of balance. This character is a mess this version. Only slighty less stupid from 0.9a. He may actually be just as stupid, just in a different kind of stupidly balanced way

You wouldnt be saying that if you played one of the 4 OG Lloyd mains on 9a LOL.

I couldn't agree with you more

mfw you haven't played lloyd since 9b came out

Titan pls

Why don't you actually try to play the mu instead of whining, and thank god this character is getting nerfed..... holy blow me

IRONY OVER 9000

You telling someone to stop whining about Lloyd? What happened?

I think he's interpreting putting ZSS on that list (really more as an aside) as saying that I think it's impossible to play ZSS because Kyoz is too good or something.

Personally, I think ZSS isn't as good as people say she is: maybe top of A tier or bottom of S tier. I feel like with a good dash-dance game you could consistently win neutral, and with some practice (sadly hard to come by) edgeguarding would at least be semi-consistent.

I try to play all of those MU's: look at what I posted about Zelda v Fox in the Fox forum.

Also, why in the world would you go back that far to something so long ago just to completely misread what I'm saying? The conversation has moved on. Go with it.

IMO when you main an S tier character you shouldn't really be the one to complain about other characters.
Another opinion of mine; ZSS is the strongest character in the game.
Fite me.

So if I main Wario I should be complaining about other characters? Cool.

Btw Wario vs Lloyd is near unwinnable lol.

Can you do stupid Chomp stuff against Lloyd?

Sure, if you land Chomp in the first place. Smart Lloyds know how to not get hit by Chomp or some combo setup, and it's not that hard to defend yourself from Wario when you have a sword, projectile, and a really safe UpB that you can use aerials with. Not to mention you can DI away, but then again, there's the DI mixup Chomp has.

I 100 percent agree. ZSS over Metaknight anyday

I agree too.

i've been wondering why most people put lloyd at top tier.
any explanation,pls?

Where to start... Long ranged disjoints, insane priority, extremely easy combos that dont care about DI, an UpB that allows lagless airials, no lag in general, good edgeguarding game and being easy to play in general. His only weaknesses are him kinda lacking kill power and a controversial recovery, I think its pretty average.

On another note, has anyone tried to use SDI to escape a few combos? UAir for example. Its a single hit, but you are still able to SDI a bit. Does this make any difference?