I agree that Remote Robot fits a Down-B better, and I do kinda want the old Whirlwind back; however the Spindash is probably too useful tech wise to get rid off, and honestly like Jan said Rhythm Badge was a very spammy move that did it's job as a combo tool a little too well

As for his U-Throw, maybe they could alter it to be the old mechanical boxing glove from his v0.9b U-Smash. That way it won't reuse the whole "carrying the opponent" asset that Airlift currently shares

Except I think this works with his playstyle. Tails now caters to a more anti-shield/stage control playstyle. Blaster does loads of shield damage, Airlift is a command grab, Robot forces you to commit to an attack or shield, and Spin Dash can be cancelled into the Tailsdash for additional shield pressure. On the other hand, Rhythm Twister literally felt like it was built to be spammed, and Whirlwind (whilst it was a fun move), seemed like it was a bit out of place in this moveset.

yeah tails' playstyle is fine its only the fact that his design as a character just gives him too much tools tbh

lets go super fast character that controls the stage and can run away whenever and forces people in the air as a character with really good aerials and air drift hahahaha

If no one minds me adding my two cents here, I just wanted to say that I just played as Tails in Classic Mode earlier today, and I've got to say...Tails really needs "Two-Tailed Whirlwind" as his U-Special move back.

I'm sorry, but Remote Robot as his U-Special, combined with the removal of his hover is seriously throwing me off.

I suggest Two-Tailed Whirlwind return as his U-Special, Remote Robot becomes his D-Special, and Spin Dash simply gets kept as his Dash Attack.

No. Spindash is vital. End of discussion.

I would agree, skailler, if tailsdash was viable. sadly it is not.

Ledge dashing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCoMwa74k6I
Bomb sliding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIlvoQMgt8E&t=116s

First of all I'd like to point out that this is nothing new, and second, I'd like to point out that the first tech you found is kinda useless due to the endlag of bair.

Would like some matchup help for Black mage and Samus.

Black Mage: I don't know how to fight Black Mage's nair. Nair does 70% the first time it hits even when I try and mash out, and it essentially kills me at 90% thanks to bair. If I shield, he just flies behind me causing the hitstun to get me grabbed, or fades away if he can't, forcing me to always roll away and get naired as a punishment. If he can't rotate so I'm behind him, he can just kill me 20% later my using the knockback to fair or sometimes RAR bair me regardless. If the BM doesn't know how to abuse nair (i.e basically just me), I win without trouble. Otherwise, every stock is effectively a 70% handicap because the only move I can ever beat out the frame-1, 360 degree coverage, nearly lagless ,combo starter/kill setup disjoint with is fair or praying he falls into the bomb I just timed.

He can miss nairs and punish my punish with a nair because the punish isn't true. If a uair juggle isn't true, I take 70% instantly. And yet the rest of his kit apart from bair is so easy to beat, and it's infuriating to just have to put my controller down for 6+ seconds because I tried challenging a F-1 spin with an attack doing way more damage than it does (Only to realize priority doens't work that way D:)

I'm sure there's a way to do it, but no matter what direction I sdi the nair, no matter which way I do the nair's last hit, I alwyas get hit by the same uair ladders, bair kill or a grab thanks to the massive amount of time he has to react to where I'm trying to go. The only way I ever manage to beat him is by hoping I get a large stage and running away the whole time, only approaching firectly horizontally so I can actually hurt him. If he's player 1, fairing his nair no longer works and I literally just have to deal with the fact that if he successfully approaches me twice in a stock ,my stock is gone.

Samus: Also frustrating, technically winnable probably. I can outcamp her, but it doesn't matter because port priority doesn't save me from dying to dash attack at 100%, or from her comboes beging perfect on me while I get nothing ore true than 2 fairs sometimes. How do I combo her? Fair turns just about every approach into 80% while destroying the robot before it reaches her, I can't edgeguard her zair or Up-B, I just don't know what to do.


Also, on a lower note, what do you do vs, Ichigo and Marth? I sorta just pray they do something other than nair/fair and punish, but they have little reason to ever do anything else so I find myself just gambling with Side-Bing the gaps and hoping to get a gimp combo off of it.

I'm really starting to miss the old up-b. The Remote Robot is a bit too annoying when fighting Tails and gets rid of a recovery option.

That's hatred for the player, not the character.

I'm not a Tails main myself, but I'm pretty sure Tails thrives in the air

I mean you're technically right, but that was last patch where he absolutely was S tier. But he was nerfed in this patch, so he now isn't S tier. Also that doesn't justify hatred for the character, but rather disagreement with the community.

The pseudo-wavedash (or just Tailsdash) has not been removed actually. It is considered notably less useful by Tails players, but its still there

Am I the only one who feels Tails is too mobile in the air? In the Sonic games tails could fly but always to a while to get up to speed. He was never able to turn on a dime in the air. Also I wish they brought back the ability to slow your descent by holding up, but I understand for balance reasons while they removed that.