My take on the Zendaya vs. Geno situation:


Following his interactions with Geno, I was pegging Zendaya as one of two things. Either a townie so excited at the prospect of having found a mafioso that he was unwilling to back off even after the situation had clearly changed, or a mafioso that was so excited at the prospect of scoring an early mislynch that he lost focus of everything else. As time went on I began leaning towards the second option due to the bipolar nature of his posts. It seems that every time Zendaya is called out on his lack of a case, he either backs off immediately or starts nitpicking about one utterly insignificant detail (e.g. you’re scum vs. you’re scummy), only to come back to his baseless accusations with a slightly different twist the next time.

Now, while this behaviour would make sense from a bad scum player, Geno’s third party lyncher theory strikes me as a tad more plausible. Scum don’t really care about who they lynch as a long as it isn’t one of their own, so they usually don’t have any problems backing off from once-viable targets that have since become too risky to pursue. The fact that Zendaya is so bent on taking Geno down even though it makes zero sense to lynch him from the perspective of either major faction seems to indicate that Geno’s death is an explicit part of Zendaya’s win condition. I suppose that he could be a usurper, but Geno’s play thus far has lead me to believe that the good doctor is town.

My usual policy when it comes to lynchers is to keep them alive and treat them as townsfolk as long as they don’t make a nuisance of themselves. If they’re helpful, we thank them by lynching their target before finishing off the last mafioso. This payed off with Kyuubit, so I think it a valid game plan. Admittedly, Kyuubit is a stronger player, and he actually did help the town in that game. I don’t think Zendaya is going to be quite as useful, especially considering the direction his posts have gone these last few pages.

What say you all?


Also, just to make it perfectly clear, the reads implied in this post are as follows:
UltimateZendayaFan: 7/10 scum points.
Dr. Geno: 3/10 scum points.

Wait wait, what? You don't get to just jump out of the hot seat like that, buddy.

UltimateZendayaFan: 8/10 scum points.

Vote: UltimateZendayaFan

I see someone didn't read the second half:

I'm going V/LA because my brother is visiting bro. By "lurk in the shadows" that means I won't have internet.

How does that effect what he said at all

First quote of his post.

Lurking in the shadows doesn't mean you won't have Internet, don't try to change your words. You said you were going to lurk and see if anyone accidentally reveals them-self. That's not very pro-town. That's a 3P mindset.

Well, you know what? This is one time I won't have Internet. Your not gonna see me for four days. Sunday-Wednesday.

Okay, I don't believe you interpreted the statement correctly.

It looks to me like he is saying that the more he and Geno argue, the more he looks like scum and the more Geno looks like town in the eyes of the rest of the town.

And I think that's true. Some people say Axel is trying to lynch Geno really hard. And that may be, but at the same time, Geno is very subtlety lynching Axel by continuing to argue with him and winning over everyone else. (love how many people said Geno was scummy at the beginning, but changed their minds completely based on this argument)

I know I'm being the devil's advocate here, but Geno, if you really want to lynch Axel, then say you are and vote for him. Getting people lynched like this doesn't seem town-like to me.

So basically what you're saying is that if Zendaya is willing to help us find scum, then we can keep him but if he's just going to get in the way then we should just lynch him? That seems like a plausible idea, although Zendaya himself said that he is not a good town player. I kind of want to see what everyone else thinks though.

The main reason most people suspected Geno in the beginning was because his attitude toward JC's big posts wasn't very good. Geno kind of seems more townish to me because he's actually trying to help find scum compared to Zendaya who seems like he really want Geno lynched for some reason (again it could very well be that his win condition is to lynch Geno).

Haven't posted much lately so I guess I better do some reads, now that I have more to go by:

Axel: Oh man... I'm not getting the real "Axel town vibe", from this, like I have when he played town before. I do believe he is either 3P or Maf, but him admitting his bias against Geno does make it seem like he isn't a lyncher role, (Against Geno, that is.) but the time he played 3P before involved a similar playstyle. I've never seen him play Maf, though. As for him going V/LA, I will say that when I see him normally, he's on a few days a week (Usually Monday-Wednesday), and just vanishes for the rest.

Geno: I just have an overall town read on you, albeit I'm not a fan of your aggressive playstyle, you really do seem to have the town's best interests in mind. Your explosion at the start of the game really did make me suspicious, but I've changed my mind now.

JamesClyde: When you try to make a post, you make a giant post. You usually look in a bit too deep, and get a few things confused/wrong, but I've got a null read on you at the moment. Will probably change when you post more.

Pachino: You're one of the most townie players in this game at the moment. You've got good logic, make good arguments, and have the town's best interests in mind.

194: I'm really suspicious of you trying to policy lynch Pachino for inactivity, when he was being active. It seems like an easy attempt at a free kill for a maf, honestly. Also, please state your relationship with Axel, I'm kinda curious why he wanted you to state reads. You also made a few good town statements, though. Honestly null-scum at the moment, but not too far from just null.

Wizzquizz: PLEASE POST MORE

Brik: Still look townie, like always. You're making good arguments, albeit a bit more activity would be nice, you managed to get a few good posts out of the pipeline when you came back. Null-town.

135: I don't really know about you, either. "How suspicious of you are Geno?" was a fairly pointless post, just trying to get a bit of activity in. It seems you've also been lurking a bit, too. Null-scum.

Nixter: Eh, you could be a bit more active, but your posts are fairly town-ish. Null, though, I need to see a bit more before I decide.

Lucina: Seems to have the town's best interests in mind, watching people who jumped off the Genotrain (Including me), which, admittedly, is a good idea. The inactivity, though, isn't a good idea. I want to full-heartedly say town, but I just can't till you become a bit more active. Null-town.

Shoop: You haven't posted that much, but the jump to serious play did surprise me. I'm not too sure what to think, though, till you post more. Null.

Aaaand done. For now, anyways.

Just to clear stuff up on the jump to serious I make really big posts like that when I feel like it, and I pretty much saw that the game was moving on so I might as well move on with it.

Axel's really just looking like a bad town player to me. His messages could be phrased a lot better and his points/arguments are bad.



Perfect example. It was a bad joke. Makes you look scummy. And even if you were going to lurk in the shadows, openly stating your doing so is just silly.

IDK why, but that bI'm not falling for Terra's "Town read" in 15 again.

ob·jec·tive
/əbˈjektiv/
Adjective
(of a person or their judgment) Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

Geno is using Meta to say "From my experience he's done this thing in the past, therefore it's likely he's doing the same thing."
Meta isn't objective at all, and is based solely on Geno's personal conclusions.[/quote]

Eh, I was referring more to how Geno is able to assess the situation from an almost-third-person perspective. I'd imagine that generally when a Mafia member is suspected by another player, they would rather focus on the immediate fact (that they are being suspected), rather than look at things the way a third player who is not directly involved in the situation would. That's kind of what Geno did. Instead of simply responding to being suspected, he applies Meta to a situation which directly involves himself. This IMO signifies that he is keeping a cool head, or something like that.


Anyways, my reads so far on most people are surprisingly null as well. THe majority of players are playing decently, although maybe they're simply doing their best to fit in. Axel sticks out though, since from what I can see he's not trying to fit in lol

The Third-Party Lyncher theory sounds plausible to me, BTW.

I'm not voting for Axel, nor am I trying to get anyone else to bandwagon on him. I'm simply trying to figure out where he's coming from, whether it be town, mafia or 3P. After we're certain about that is when we should consider lynching, not before.

However it's looking like the Axel bit has died down, and now we're pretty much back at square 1. I'm not sure where to look for scum, everyone has had a decent enough play besides Axel to not set off my scumdar completely. I'd rather No Lynch than mislynch a town. I don't think any scum would be dumb enough to give themself away on day one, especially with the way things have been going around here. I'm down for a No Lynch if the rest of you are. I'm assuming most of us have abilities, so we can put them to use for Day 2. I'm just spitballin' here though.

I'd actually like Axel to confirm his character to us. Not his abilities or anything, just his character. I can't shake the feeling that he's 3P, and I know what character he'd need to be to be a 3P. At least I'm pretty sure. If he isn't 3P I think he may be scum, because the way he backed off in fear of an impending lynch with everyone defending me is very scum like. If you're town you should be less worried about being lynched, and more wanting to scum hunt.

So basically what we've got up till this point is that Axel was being stupid and all this time was for nothing.

Alrighty then.