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So, Matchups.
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1) Please explain matchups. I'm bringing this up because there are too many
Marth > Everyone style matchups with no explanation.

This is now open to matchups in general instead of just the worst.

Have fun


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I was interested in making a thread where we try to determine each character's worst MU. The more input the better. I'll offer:
Black Mage or Wario > DK
ZSS > MK
Sheik or Zelda > Falcon
Mario > Naruto
Fox or Wario > Yoshi
Really campy Naruto > Marth
MK > Fox
Marth > Wario

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Samus > Tails
MK > Tails

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MK > Wario
Marth > Jiggs

EDIT : Bomono thinks MK-Tails is an even matchup. #SaltPrower

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DK > Jiggs
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DK > A well spaced Naruto

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Marth > All

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Doqtor Kirby wrote:
Marth > All


I disagree. Although I have difficulty against Kyoz...

Tails > Marth

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Megaman > Wario. Doof says that wario has a hard time getting in due to MM's wall of projectiles and his only reliable option is Side B.

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Lloyd and Mario:
Mario can easily punish Lloyd.
Boulder-dash.

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MK>Jiggs
Oh God.

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1.Fox > jiggs
2.MK > jiggs
3.Marth > jiggs

(fox compleatly boddies jiggs)

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Mr.Z wrote:
Megaman > Wario. Doof says that wario has a hard time getting in due to MM's wall of projectiles and his only reliable option is Side B.

Projectiles aren't really the main problem, and Block is the only one that concerns Wario. Megaman's Fair, Bair, Nair, Ftilt, and Usmash are all moves that Wario has to respect if he doesn't want to eat one of those. Especially Nair; that move is a "gtfo me" tool that Wario can't do anything about other than Wario Waft.

Shoulder Bash is reliable in only a few cases in this matchup. Tech chases, and hard reads are the only smart ways to use Shoulder Bash vs Megaman.

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Zalozis wrote:
DarkSwiftN wrote:
Lloyd and Mario:
Mario can easily punish Lloyd.
Boulder-dash.

Really? How so?

Mario can cape Lloyd out of an air or tornado out of it. The latter of which will cause a punish. Similarly Mario's air game and ground game can cause Lloyd enough problems on their own, especially with an Up-B out of shield.
Also, Mario can launch off a quick powerful attack which can screw up Lloyd's recovery due to how easily launched he is. Lloyd's recovery can be punished by a Cape to change direction, especially if the Lloyd player uses D-Air or by a B-Air, which itself can launch him further away.

I know this matchup well, I main both characters

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Just so you know, the poll is now live.
There's no response limit, and I'm open to adding characters onto the list.

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Black Mage > Wario
Black Mage's small size makes it hard for Wario to land his combos. Every single one of Black Mage's aerial moves beat everything Wario has aside from Wario Waft. Meteor is a huge issue for Wario; being the slowest character with no way to break through Meteor means that if Wario isn't close to Black Mage when Meteor is used, there is no safe way of moving in. Shield Rolling in is just asking for a read to eat. Black Mage edgeguards Wario very hard, since Wario's recovery is very mediocre and edge-dependent.

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