sorry Deph, I'll tone it down, but I want an answer to that.

The thing having me worried is Lucina's death. Usually, mafia does not kill possible lynch targets. I think there's a chance of the mafia pulling a set up for 135.

@Brik: if two roleblockers went over a cop and the cop still claims to have used his ability successfully, the most likely stage is that the cop didn't use it at all and just made up the result, as it would be needed for both roleblockers to be lying.

Question, who did you both roleblockers do Night 2?

Or busdrivers. But since you didn't use your ability last night and no one else has claimed a busdriver role (yet), any busdriving in this situation hasn't been shown.

That said, I think you pretty much summed up what I think about 135. Though, I'd like to wait for 135 to say something first before doing anything.

I believe I jailkept Cactuc N2.

I'm not sure I'd agree. I don't see why "annoying" would be part of her character description.

Also guys, I'm not sure what you want from me. My ability gave me a result that didn't match the Flip. My ability also went through despite 2 different people targeting me with Role-Block/ Jail-Keep. The former would be rather easily explained if there were a 1-time mass Framer. I still can't quite make sense of the latter. Both claims are false? Someone else interfered? I dunno.

It would be as easily explained by having a liar cop which made up a result trying to kill a townie.

Thinking out loud here:

It is highly improbable that both Shoop and Axel are lying about having roleblocked 135. The mafia has no logical reason to act in such a manner. I think we can simultaneously rule out this possibility and safely assume that at least one of our claimed roleblockers does not belong to the scum team. Based on this assumption, we can conclude that at least one of them is telling the truth, as a townie should have no reason to lie in a situation such as this. Thus, we can confirm that 135 should indeed have been roleblocked. The fact that he was not narrows the situation down to five possibilities, four realistically speaking.

A) 135's role ignores roleblockers.
Unlikely, and if this was the case then I'm certain that 135 would have already alerted us to the fact.

B) Axel and/or Shoop was/were roleblocked themselves.
It seems improbable that there would be four roleblockers in the same game, though stranger things have happened. It is possible that someone possesses an ability that spreads another player's ability over multiple targets, or perhaps one of them is lying and the other one actually was roleblocked.

C) Someone bussed actions away from 135.
We have a claimed busdriver, and it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility for the mafia to have one as well. Maybe 194 is the mafia busdriver and is lying about not having used his ability. Unlikely, but it remains a possibility.

D) 135 is lying and is not actually a cop.
A definite possibility and the easiest way to solve the puzzle, but the combined facts that his cop claim has yet to be countered and that it makes quite a bit of sense from my limited understanding of the show are too significant to brush off.

E) Someone has an anti-roleblock role and targeted 135 on Night 1.
It could happen.

Did anyone else target 135 on Night 1? That may help us clear up this mystery.


I'm not being hostile, I'm frustrated at the laissez-faire attitude with which the town is treating the possibility of a 135 lynch. It's downright lazy play and it won't help the town at all. I'm fine with lynching for good reasons, but none had been brought up at the time I made that post.

Also, I'm not sure that I've ever argued directly with you; you haven't really answered my requests for concrete arguments on any issues. I've argued more about you than with you. : /

Oho. I just noticed something interesting. Axel, you say that you jailkept 135? Did you indeed jailkeep him, or did you simply roleblock him? The distinction is very important. Shoop, could you answer this question as well?

OH MY GOD ARE YOU SERIOUS. SHOOP AND AXEL, ANSWER BRIK PLEASE.

THERE GOES ANOTHER DAY.

I've said SEVERAL times that I jailkept 135.

Kk, I just wanted to make sure that we were talking about jailkeeping, not roleblocking.

Axel, following on that line:

Does your jailkeeping ability protect from ALL other actions targeted towards your target player? What does your role state about it?

@Brik: Now that that's all cleared up, I ask you which is better case:

A) No Lynch, go another day and allow the Mac to pick another freebie from us.

B) Lynch 135, who might be scum, and at least have tried I he flips town.

135 has even admitted he's been scummy. I think Brik might be arguing to keep 135 to protect his scumbuddy.

@Geno who should I jail tonight, in your opinion.

It actually does not specify, Although I assume it does not. Perhaps I should ask TOWK about this.

My ability roleblocks. It does not jailkeep. I roleblocked 135.