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Post Re: [MP] Super Smash Bros. 4
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1. Why did you say Toon Link should be removed and then contradict that and say that you feel he could have a different moveset, basically saying 'oh we can fix this s#%$&'?
It would be like Young Link.
2. Most of Fox's/Falco's attacks weren't even in the respective games. Blaster was introduced in the Star Fox series AFTER Super Smash Bros. Melee!
Well.. then that is a stupid f*** moveset if it came after.
3. Why do you say that Ness and Lucas could be done better and you state examples as to how, but then you say that Lucas could be replaced (by less important characters)? f#%$& Pikachu, who needs Pikachu when you have f#%$&' GEODUDE?
Masked Man is NOT a less important character. He plays HEAVY impact on the story, where he is turned out to be
Lucas' Brother Claus. who has been killed and reconstructed and lucas has to KILL him at the end, giving a heart breaking ending.
4. Why do you use Castlevania and Contra as an example when I'm p. sure they aren't Nintendo games? Like, I know Metal Gear Solid and Sonic are both third-party, but..
Yeah. Those were just examples of retro, it could be any classic character really.
5. no anime no no no
Okay, I see why you wouldn't want it to be a "Jump Super Stars" clone
6. Mortal Kombat what

I don't even know what I was thinking.
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Post Re: [MP] Super Smash Bros. 4
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Kuro Kagami wrote:
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1. Why did you say Toon Link should be removed and then contradict that and say that you feel he could have a different moveset, basically saying 'oh we can fix this s#%$&'?
It would be like Young Link.
2. Most of Fox's/Falco's attacks weren't even in the respective games. Blaster was introduced in the Star Fox series AFTER Super Smash Bros. Melee!
Well.. then that is a stupid f*** moveset if it came after.
3. Why do you say that Ness and Lucas could be done better and you state examples as to how, but then you say that Lucas could be replaced (by less important characters)? f#%$& Pikachu, who needs Pikachu when you have f#%$&' GEODUDE?
Masked Man is NOT a less important character. He plays HEAVY impact on the story, where he is turned out to be
Lucas' Brother Claus. who has been killed and reconstructed and lucas has to KILL him at the end, giving a heart breaking ending.
4. Why do you use Castlevania and Contra as an example when I'm p. sure they aren't Nintendo games? Like, I know Metal Gear Solid and Sonic are both third-party, but..
Yeah. Those were just examples of retro, it could be any classic character really.
5. no anime no no no
Okay, I see why you wouldn't want it to be a "Jump Super Stars" clone
6. Mortal Kombat what

I don't even know what I was thinking.

Young Link is more like Link than Toon Link is. Although, I'd love a Masked Young Link which could switch between the forms..
Not really a stupid idea, they just used what they had at hand and it was matching with Fox. For all we know, they could go Sly Cooper and give Falco a cloaking device.
Lucas' brother Claus was important, but not to the point of Lucas, who was the main character. Therefore, less important. Kratos was important in Tales of Symphonia but not to the amount that Lloyd was.

I'll point out that some games did have characters included in the game before the main character (i.e. Richter in Tales of Vs.) but Nintendo has a much easier time when it comes to turning similar characters into different ones.

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Post Re: [MP] Super Smash Bros. 4
i hate how little everyone understands smashbros character design holy s***

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Post Re: [MP] Super Smash Bros. 4
Kuro Kagami wrote:
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What part of similar movesets yet completely different play-styles do you people not understand.

eh sometimes this is a problem
like in my opinion falco is FAR too similar to fox
i'd get it if this were 2-D fighter but eh
It's quite understandable why most people would go about that.

But the environment is not too different from that of a 2D fighting game.
Add platforms, physic-based controls, remove canonical 2D element features and add something different and you get this.

But as long as I can see Fox and Falco being different from each other significantly regardless of established moves in their arsenal being similar, it really doesn't matter to me.
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Post Re: [MP] Super Smash Bros. 4
Red wrote:
Kuro Kagami wrote:
Red wrote:
What part of similar movesets yet completely different play-styles do you people not understand.

eh sometimes this is a problem
like in my opinion falco is FAR too similar to fox
i'd get it if this were 2-D fighter but eh
It's quite understandable why most people would go about that.

But the environment is not too different from that of a 2D fighting game.
Add platforms, physic-based controls, remove canonical 2D element features and add something different and you get this.

But as long as I can see Fox and Falco being different from each other significantly regardless of established moves in their arsenal being similar, it really doesn't matter to me.

eh, i don't see it as much of a change because actual "comboing" isn't in this game

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Brawl is the only one without actual comboing. It's just more dynamic than in traditional fighters.

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Post Re: [MP] Super Smash Bros. 4
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Brawl is the only one without actual comboing. It's just more dynamic than in traditional fighters.
This.

Spontaneous comboing is still a form of comboing. As Tid said, more dynamic and represented effectively here than a majority of other games.
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It's much more difficult to combo in brawl since the physics are floatier(?) than in previous installments not to mention that the hit box detection is much more precise and makes it harder to land hits.
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Except clones were even closer in Melee as opposed to Brawl

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They still played very differently, which is what matters.
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everyone stop voting for void

he doesn't think pokémon games are good
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Post Re: [MP] Super Smash Bros. 4
Kuro Kagami wrote:
like in my opinion falco is FAR too similar to fox

I can see the differences but I still think they're just a bit too similar.

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Post Re: [MP] Super Smash Bros. 4
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They still played very differently, which is what matters.

look I hate this argument to death but
Nobody wants three shades of the same character
I want to play as Fox, Falco, and Wolf
Not Fox, Fox but different, and Fox but different in a different way

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They still played very differently, which is what matters.

look I hate this argument to death but
Nobody wants three shades of the same character
I want to play as Fox, Falco, and Wolf
Not Fox, Fox but different, and Fox but different in a different way

I'll give you fox and falco for argument's sake, but wolf is very, very different.
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yeah i'll be honest and say wolf is very different overall
i can play as falco and fox just fine but i can't do s*** with wolf

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