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@Ziku: FD is actually argued to be Fox's worst stage because the open air space makes him vulnerable chain-throws and juggles from a good portion of the roster. Some characters Marth or Sheik are very hard to go against.. Fox does much better with platforms for overall mobillity, combos, and top-screen KOs. The meme has nothing to do with Fox being the best character on Final Destination.

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Final Destination is not a well balanced stage, it is an entirely flat surface that encouraged projectile spam and screws over characters whose combat doesn't fuction like that. The FOX ONLY part of the meme doesn't just deal with Fox's tier status, it's also because Final Destination favors his playstyle. The stage is really going to f#%$& up someone like Mac who is entirely close-ranged. It isn't all that balanced or competetive, it just favors the characters tournament players like to use



Actually it's not just about projectiles. It's more about chain-grabbing as there is no platform. You can't land on a platform and tech to escape the chain-grabbing.
So characters that have good chain-grabbing/Juggling abilities have an advantage, see how Marth doesn't have any projectile and he's a beast on FD. According to M2K he is THE best character of the game on this stage.

Overall I really don't think it "favors the characters tournament players like to use" that much. I'm pretty sure most of the characters in the game do better on Battlefield, Yoshi Story or Dream Land.
FD is allowed in tournaments because even if it might not be the most balanced stage, unlike most people think, it's still balanced enough to be considered a neutral, that's it.
It's not about favoring top-tier characters, that would actually be a reason for it to be banned lol.

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Ziku wrote:
Final Destination is not a well balanced stage, it is an entirely flat surface that encouraged projectile spam and screws over characters whose combat doesn't fuction like that. The FOX ONLY part of the meme doesn't just deal with Fox's tier status, it's also because Final Destination favors his playstyle. The stage is really going to f*** up someone like Mac who is entirely close-ranged. It isn't all that balanced or competetive, it just favors the characters tournament players like to use

this is entirely backwards

FD is Fox's worst stage and Marth's best stage. It's likely even better for Little Mac than Marth, since his main weakness is his awful aerials which make him useless against platform camping in general. You really shouldn't talk about competitive play when you don't know the first thing about it.

EDIT: trimmed a bit because other people posted before me

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Huh... Alright, I'll admit, stepped where I shouldn't have and got schooled. No hiding it.

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it's a f*** party game
i want the stages to be some insane s***

It's a game where you can use Captain Falcon punch the s*** out of Pikachu. Of course the stages should be some insane s***.

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This is kinda off topic but screw that one guy in the smash round table who "offered" to help "balance" the game. f*** melee fanboys. Sakurai flat out said himself that he considered it a fun party game, that turned out to be very competitive however that's not his intention. competitive players who complain about ssb4 not being fast enough or balanced correctly like that guy need to just stick with melee if they don't like it.

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This is kinda off topic but screw that one guy in the smash round table who "offered" to help "balance" the game. f*** melee fanboys. Sakurai flat out said himself that he considered it a fun party game, that turned out to be very competitive however that's not his intention. competitive players who complain about ssb4 not being fast enough or balanced correctly like that guy need to just stick with melee if they don't like it.

This might not be my place to say but, I think they should have every right to want the game to be competitive. I mean, is it so wrong to want to play as your favorite Nintendo characters in a competitive setting? I would only disagree if they wanted it to be too much like Melee, that was its own game.

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The game being competetive IS one of his focuses now, though.

If you're going to deny that when Nintendo themselves held a huge tournament for the game, f*** off.


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I could ask you to do the same thing...

...keep in mind only final destination is playable online ...."competitively"

Lmao what the f#%$& is your point here

Are you saying Final Destination isn't a stage that should be used competetively?

See...dont half a** being a smart a**.

My point is that it doesnt f*** matter what's allowed online "competitively" ...cuz we don't only use final destination competitively..
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This is kinda off topic but screw that one guy in the smash round table who "offered" to help "balance" the game. f#%$& melee fanboys. Sakurai flat out said himself that he considered it a fun party game, that turned out to be very competitive however that's not his intention. competitive players who complain about ssb4 not being fast enough or balanced correctly like that guy need to just stick with melee if they don't like it.

And I understand the competitive circle can be annoying as people (ehem "cult") sometimes but there really is nooo downside to making any fighting game competitively relevant at all. It kinda baffles me how someone could imagine putting a fighting game together and purposely make it anti-competitive to appeal to casuals. I honestly don't get the philosophy behind that, for casual players will play the game if it is fun regardless of the competitive flexibility.

...think about it, If brawl played like project M (+/- some character designs)..would it had not been a success with the casual crowd?

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I wouldnt have liked Brawl as much if it was like Project M, but i have my own reasons for that.

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GreaterMaelstrom wrote:
cutest anime girl wrote:
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I could ask you to do the same thing...

...keep in mind only final destination is playable online ...."competitively"

Lmao what the f#%$& is your point here

Are you saying Final Destination isn't a stage that should be used competetively?

See...dont half a** being a smart a**.

My point is that it doesnt f*** matter what's allowed online "competitively" ...cuz we don't only use final destination competitively..

Once again: What the f*** is your point here?

You're right. Final Destination is not the only stage used competitively. That doesn't change the fact that it is one of the stages used competitively.

Unless you're going to argue that using Final Destination doesn't make the online a competitive environment, shut the f*** up and stop arguing about nothing.


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do yourself a favour and think about it a little bit more

keeping in mind that it already can't be used in competitive online matches


Are you serious... ... .... lemme make it easier for you to understand.... You can't use other stages online "competitively" either.... and.... that.... don't ...mean.... sh*t

here, do yourself a favor and think about it a little more. Unless you need me to break it down even more ...smart a**.

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Not being able to use other stages doesn't mean being only able to use Final Destination isn't competitive.

This is not hard to understand. You are being an idiot on purpose. f*** off.


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I wonder if any of the "items" the Poppant drops will be the stat boosting items, or just regular items.

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mightyXtreme wrote:
This is kinda off topic but screw that one guy in the smash round table who "offered" to help "balance" the game. f*** melee fanboys. Sakurai flat out said himself that he considered it a fun party game, that turned out to be very competitive however that's not his intention. competitive players who complain about ssb4 not being fast enough or balanced correctly like that guy need to just stick with melee if they don't like it.
It was a joke. .juice Doom (Who is a Brawl player by the way) was acknowledged by Sakurai and he asked if he had a question. So Doom took the opportunity to make the joke. Sakurai got the humor and responded with a joke. Doom laughed. Sakurai laughed. Everyone in the room laughed.

Thank you for being another ignorant person making assumptions when knowing nothing about the situation.

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