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Why am I even here?

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Chernobog wrote:
Why am I even here?

Because you're starting to realize that religion is garbage, but you need our help to break away?

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Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:27 pm
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Yes, help me break away.

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The Ironic Dude wrote:
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To answer your question, Zero, I do believe Jesus was a real person. It's been pretty much proven that he exists. Whether or not all of those stories about him are true is the real question.

I believe that Jesus was not one, but many people. And all that s#%$& about parting the sea and so on is nonsense. Oh, and they found out that the lake he supposedly walked across was actually lightly frozen over at the time of said walking.

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I mean, I do think that stuff was s#%$&, but how would they really manage to prove that?

They can study and observe the environment around the area. It's like how they can cut a tree in half and learn loads about it.


It's funny that you just ignored the data about the environment I provided, which stated that the Sea of Galilee never freezes. It is even classified as a lake type that is either frozen for the major part of the year or never frozen. I also wonder how they would demonstrate the circumstance on a lake about two thousand years ago.

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If there is a God, then he knows all...And if he knows all, then he should know that there is no proof of his existence.


Though he knows we don't know proof of his existence, he does; hence omniscience.

What do you think of this? It is the purpose of belief to believe; you cannot believe on exclusively human-rational grounds, believing on those grounds would not be believing. Kierkegaard has written a lot about that.

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Reminds me of a something along the lines that, God knows of our plight but is powerless to help us. That or He is all powerful and just doesn't a give a f#%$&. My God is a bit different from yours though.


Usually the argument is used to argue God is either not benevolent or omnipotent. However, the Problem of Evil is flawed in the sense that omnipotence combined with benevolence should inevitably lead to intervention. Though in Christian theology, there is such intervention actually, it is not a ostensibly direct as often longed for.

The point is that most people who use this argument the described way is that they overlook important notions, such as freedom and responsibility of action. If a deity would intervene every time we do something wrong in order to make it right again, we would be limited in our freedom and we would not have any responsibility of our own, neither personally nor collectively. You could reject this notion, but for instance all of our statecraft and legislation is based on the notion humans at least have responsibility. (This is actually not complete as you may have noticed, but I'll leave it at this for now.)

Moral: Reciting an argument from an ancient philosopher is not always going to be free from fallacy. [Though you did not use it as an argument and just as another example, I know. :P It is more of a "warning" to others.]

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Because you're starting to realize that religion is garbage, but you need our help to break away?


I can't help but enjoy the silence, I mean civil wording.

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Yes, help me break away.


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Chernobog wrote:
If God is so "all powerful" why can't he show us something that proves he exists? it just raises too many questions...


What would you require?
A dream? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a dream'
A vision? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a hallucination'
A miracle? You could probably come up with some bizzare illogical conclusion and stick to it (let's face it, that is how most people would react to it)
Come down to Earth and say hello? Meet Jesus

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|~DVDV~| wrote:
Chernobog wrote:
If God is so "all powerful" why can't he show us something that proves he exists? it just raises too many questions...


What would you require?
A dream? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a dream'
A vision? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a hallucination'
A miracle? You could probably come up with some bizzare illogical conclusion and stick to it (let's face it, that is how most people would react to it)
Come down to Earth and say hello? Meet Jesus

I have come to find that it is human nature to find a logical explanation for everything...

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No you haven't, your just using the exact excuse so many people use nowadays.

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There are people who find themselves becoming Sheep...

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No you haven't, your just using the exact excuse so many people use nowadays.

So you're saying that nobody is allowed to believe the same thing, otherwise they're a sheep?

If they understand how they got to that conclusion sure, they're off the hook, but if they have no idea and just like it on face value: sheepish

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|~DVDV~| wrote:
Chernobog wrote:
If God is so "all powerful" why can't he show us something that proves he exists? it just raises too many questions...


What would you require?
A dream? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a dream'
A vision? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a hallucination'
A miracle? You could probably come up with some bizzare illogical conclusion and stick to it (let's face it, that is how most people would react to it)
Come down to Earth and say hello? Meet Jesus

Yeah um some evidence that he exists would be just fab for your argument right now.

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The Ironic Dude wrote:
|~DVDV~| wrote:
Chernobog wrote:
If God is so "all powerful" why can't he show us something that proves he exists? it just raises too many questions...


What would you require?
A dream? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a dream'
A vision? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a hallucination'
A miracle? You could probably come up with some bizzare illogical conclusion and stick to it (let's face it, that is how most people would react to it)
Come down to Earth and say hello? Meet Jesus

Yeah um some evidence that he exists would be just fab for your argument right now.


Some evidence besides theory that the Big Bang happened would also be great.


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Snoble wrote:
The Ironic Dude wrote:
|~DVDV~| wrote:
Chernobog wrote:
If God is so "all powerful" why can't he show us something that proves he exists? it just raises too many questions...


What would you require?
A dream? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a dream'
A vision? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a hallucination'
A miracle? You could probably come up with some bizzare illogical conclusion and stick to it (let's face it, that is how most people would react to it)
Come down to Earth and say hello? Meet Jesus

Yeah um some evidence that he exists would be just fab for your argument right now.


Some evidence besides theory that the Big Bang happened would also be great.

To bad nobody's talking about the big bang.


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BICURIOUS GEORGE wrote:
Snoble wrote:
The Ironic Dude wrote:
|~DVDV~| wrote:
Chernobog wrote:
If God is so "all powerful" why can't he show us something that proves he exists? it just raises too many questions...


What would you require?
A dream? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a dream'
A vision? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a hallucination'
A miracle? You could probably come up with some bizzare illogical conclusion and stick to it (let's face it, that is how most people would react to it)
Come down to Earth and say hello? Meet Jesus

Yeah um some evidence that he exists would be just fab for your argument right now.


Some evidence besides theory that the Big Bang happened would also be great.

To bad nobody's talking about the big bang.


That's Tid's belief.


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There is actually evidence for the big bang. Judging but the planets current trajectories, all planets originated from roughly the same spot. There is evidence for it, it just isn't proven

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basically, Tid, your excuse for lets see some s***, might as well say, lets see some s*** that nothing causes nothing to suddenly happen.

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