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Chernobog
Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:28 am Posts: 892
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Why am I even here?
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Pikamander2
Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:34 am Posts: 656 Location: At my computer, duh.
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Because you're starting to realize that religion is garbage, but you need our help to break away?
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:27 pm |
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Chernobog
Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:28 am Posts: 892
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Yes, help me break away.
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:30 pm |
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Villerar
Joined: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:26 am Posts: 648
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It's funny that you just ignored the data about the environment I provided, which stated that the Sea of Galilee never freezes. It is even classified as a lake type that is either frozen for the major part of the year or never frozen. I also wonder how they would demonstrate the circumstance on a lake about two thousand years ago. Though he knows we don't know proof of his existence, he does; hence omniscience. What do you think of this? It is the purpose of belief to believe; you cannot believe on exclusively human-rational grounds, believing on those grounds would not be believing. Kierkegaard has written a lot about that. Usually the argument is used to argue God is either not benevolent or omnipotent. However, the Problem of Evil is flawed in the sense that omnipotence combined with benevolence should inevitably lead to intervention. Though in Christian theology, there is such intervention actually, it is not a ostensibly direct as often longed for. The point is that most people who use this argument the described way is that they overlook important notions, such as freedom and responsibility of action. If a deity would intervene every time we do something wrong in order to make it right again, we would be limited in our freedom and we would not have any responsibility of our own, neither personally nor collectively. You could reject this notion, but for instance all of our statecraft and legislation is based on the notion humans at least have responsibility. (This is actually not complete as you may have noticed, but I'll leave it at this for now.) Moral: Reciting an argument from an ancient philosopher is not always going to be free from fallacy. [Though you did not use it as an argument and just as another example, I know.  It is more of a "warning" to others.] I can't help but enjoy the silence, I mean civil wording. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA-mSoD6NV8
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:01 pm |
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Gold
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:10 am Posts: 2601 Location: Australia - Sydney
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What would you require? A dream? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a dream' A vision? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a hallucination' A miracle? You could probably come up with some bizzare illogical conclusion and stick to it (let's face it, that is how most people would react to it) Come down to Earth and say hello? Meet Jesus
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:28 pm |
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Chernobog
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 |  |  |  | |~DVDV~| wrote: What would you require? A dream? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a dream' A vision? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a hallucination' A miracle? You could probably come up with some bizzare illogical conclusion and stick to it (let's face it, that is how most people would react to it) Come down to Earth and say hello? Meet Jesus |  |  |  |  |
I have come to find that it is human nature to find a logical explanation for everything...
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:30 pm |
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Dr.Rockso
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:35 pm Posts: 929 Location: siouxfalls
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No you haven't, your just using the exact excuse so many people use nowadays.
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:41 pm |
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Chernobog
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There are people who find themselves becoming Sheep...
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:53 pm |
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Gold
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:10 am Posts: 2601 Location: Australia - Sydney
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If they understand how they got to that conclusion sure, they're off the hook, but if they have no idea and just like it on face value: sheepish
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:03 pm |
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Tid
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:02 pm Posts: 7283 Location: Australia Country:
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 |  |  |  | |~DVDV~| wrote: What would you require? A dream? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a dream' A vision? You could just say 'oh well, it was just a hallucination' A miracle? You could probably come up with some bizzare illogical conclusion and stick to it (let's face it, that is how most people would react to it) Come down to Earth and say hello? Meet Jesus |  |  |  |  |
Yeah um some evidence that he exists would be just fab for your argument right now.
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:35 pm |
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Snoble
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Some evidence besides theory that the Big Bang happened would also be great.
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:55 pm |
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Geno
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To bad nobody's talking about the big bang.
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:58 pm |
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Snoble
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:00 am |
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Gold
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:10 am Posts: 2601 Location: Australia - Sydney
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There is actually evidence for the big bang. Judging but the planets current trajectories, all planets originated from roughly the same spot. There is evidence for it, it just isn't proven
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:06 am |
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Dr.Rockso
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:35 pm Posts: 929 Location: siouxfalls
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basically, Tid, your excuse for lets see some s***, might as well say, lets see some s*** that nothing causes nothing to suddenly happen.
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