walt is town please stop

OK I'll stop :T

I guess it fits.

Oops, stopped getting reply notifications, assumed the game wasn't moving so I could take my sweet time. My bad.

I'm not really sure why people are suspicious of 135. His claim is believable. Judging by his play it's apparent that he is acting in the best interests of the town insofar as he is able to. The few reasons that people have for suspecting him are flimsy at best, and frankly I'm surprised at the momentum the anti-135 sentiment seems to possess. I'm going to address the arguments that I've picked up on thus far. If there exist other, more legitimate reasons for believing that 135 is a mafia member, I would be glad to have them explained to me.

1. He is faking cop results to mislead the town and score mislynches.
There are a bunch of roles in mafia that mess with cop results. The fact that his first subject of investigation ended up flipping as the opposite alignment doesn't make him scum, it just makes his results unreliable. Neither does his role's unreliability prevent him from making strong town-sided contributions to the game, something that I believe he has been doing. Also note that Lucina did not die as the result of 135 leading a lynch in his/her direction based on faulty/fake results. He/she died at night, which forces us to consider the possibility that the mafia eliminated him/her precisely to aim the town in 135's direction. I would not be at all surprised if there was at least one scumbag among his accusers.

2. He is stuck on Walter White being a mafia role.
Seriously? That's an argument for 135 being scum? Based on what I read about his character, it makes complete sense for 135 to assume that Walter is scum. I'm not saying that that is the case, only that 135 thinking it is is in no way a condemning argument against him.

Those are the only "arguments" that I have seen used against 135. Again, if I have missed something that carries a bit more weight, please bring it up.

Other than those there's really no set in stone answer other than how weird his cop readings have been, which could have been the doings of some mafia member. It's mostly because we're at day three with no lynch. We need to do something, another no lynch is clearly not going to cut it. Nobody is around to contribute so I feel it's best to go with my gut in this case. If he flipped town that would suck.

Unless you have any better ideas as to who may be mafia? 135 is the closest we've gotten. It's like my brain is telling me he's town but my gut is telling me he's mafia. idk what to do.

The arguments are flimsy sure, but you have to realize that that's all we've got on like anybody.

Well yeah, of course it would suck if he flipped town. Silly goose. c :

I understand where you're coming from with the brain vs. heart deal, but I know from experience that the satisfaction of being on a scum trail can cloud our better judgement. I agree that we shouldn't no lynch, but lynching someone based on gut instinct alone because we feel that we have to lynch today is just as bad if not worse.

Fortunately, we do have other avenues to explore. Specifically, this whole roleblocker scenario. If I recall correctly, we're looking at two roleblockers (Shoop and Axel) who claim to have blocked the same person (135) on the same night, yet somehow the action still went through. We're obviously dealing with some foul play, but we haven't taken the time to work the puzzle out yet.

For clarity's sake, can we get everyone that claimed to have roleblocked or redirected an action on Night 1 to specify exactly who they targeted?

Night 1: Roleblocked 135 - Claims to have still gotten his action through


Night 2: Roleblocked Lucina - Died that night

I guess a busdriver could explain why 135 could have gotten his action despite being roleblocked by you. A roleblocker could also explain it, but I'm leaning more towards a busdriver. Has anyone claimed as a busdriver this game?

194 claimed busdriver.

I claimed bus driver, but I also stated I didn't use my ability Night 1.

Then I'm placing my bet on another busdriver. It wouldn't seem odd for this type of theme to have more than one busdrivers.

I'm not sure if the mod would like to place himself in so much trouble. Consider we have at least 2 roleblockers, and both roleblockers and busdrivers are hard to deal with in mafia games.