Sorry about that

Lloyd's like a top 5 character in this game. Why is he on the list? Ichigo is also pretty good. Anyways...

I would switch 1 and 3. Jiggs at least has a shot of getting a gimp or two on Fox. Yesterday was literally my first day playing Jiggs in this game and I managed to beat SS's Fox. He was probably trying to style like any good Fox should, but all it took was a gimp or two and a rest. That's not quite as easy against Marth and not even a possibility against MK.

Lloyd IMO was more nerfed than buffed. He lost one of the greatest aspects of his metagame in his epic grab. His recovery is still awful, and he still has most problems from last game. I personally feel he's completely outclassed by Marth.
Ichigo, well:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=40447&start=195#p1374651

Tails < A well spaced Captain Falcon. Gonna have a feeling that RemPrower is going to have a little talk with me about this
Goku < A properly timed Ichigo. Ichigo can destroy Goku if the timing on his attacks are swift and correct.

EDIT: Fixed this up due to confusion on the arrows.

Your use of the Greater than (>) symbol was confusing me. I thought you original were saying DK beats a well-spaced Naruto, which made no sense.

Lesser/Worst < Greater/Better
Greater/Better > Lesser/Worst

Goku is less than any character with decent air or anti-air game

#GokuislessthanTrash

Zalosis is correct. You are using the ">" symbol incorrectly Dr. Flash. In actuality, I cannot confirm nor deny your claim because I am simply one Tails player. I have a fairly easy time dealing with Captain Falcon, but perhaps the other Tails players can't deal with it?

Despite my post about Tails > Marth, this is actually based on (Me) Tails vs Marth (Pretty much everybody else). The matchup itself though is supposed to be 60-40 in favor of Marth.

On another note, Zelda > Tails

Think you could add Chibi Robo, Bomberman, and Megaman to the poll?

Wario > Naruto

Done.
Anybody else you want added/removed from the list?

Also, DK < Marth:

DK is very vulnerable to meteors, and Marth has access to a good amount of meteors (In side-B and D-air). Similarly, DK has a very large hurtbox, so this generally makes him vulnerable

For 95% of Sonic players, the meta hasn't progressed past waiting for your opponent to slightly overextend himself and tapping B. It's sad. There aren't any good Gokus either. Throw him on the list.

What character do you think is the worst

"Lloyd"

R U OK M8

Add Sora, like wth hes really bad atm.


:|:|:|:|:|:|:| Lloyd? No. Remove him.

Delete the thread if Sora isn't subbed for Lloyd.

Wow, sorry I put Lloyd on there

Nah I'm joking.

Thanks for responding btw.

I may remove the poll altogether.

Anyway, I need to go back onto the character forums because a lot of people originally thought Lloyd was godawful due to the loss of his amazing grab.
I still main him and I think he was nerfed overall, but hey, that's my opinion.

BM's worst matchup is definitely not DK. I would say Meta Knight or Fox: MK's recovery removes BM's main way for ending stocks, and MK destroys BM offstage, as well as outpressuring BM, and Fox can get in and pressure BM easily around BM's zoning tools. However, BM has a really good punish and edgeguard game on Fox, and so I would tend towards MK.