They really aren't. Even special moves shared between characters have different properties.

...people seem to forget the only reason lucina has a slot is because her attack properties are different from marths despite her being a complete clone.

...people seem to forget that Toon link almost share's nothing interms of attack properties and actuall model/animation design with the regular link.

...people seem to forget that smash4 has customizable movesets.

...people seem to forget that alternate forms of the same characters are rather prominent in Smash4

...Dr. Mario makes no f*** sense assuming he has his own character slot

Falco's move set are best in the air with strong attacks while fox is speed and balance.
Dr.Mario(My main) move set is more towards power than Mario's balance
Ganondorf is obvious of his difference with CF
Roy's sword focus on the bottom with fire attribute them marth's tip of the sword
Toon Link is Faster and lighter than Link
They all have their own abilities that sets them different from their counter parts.
Its how play them, not
No one complain about Ken and Ryu being the same ... At least not people I play with online

I don't want Dark pit to be a clone with ''attack properties''. Sakurai made KI:U and there's a s*** of weapons in that game.
I just don't think he's dumb enough to make that mistake.
The only people who don't like Pittoo are those who never played Uprising tbh but I can't blame them, I didn't like the idea of adding Shulk at first because I didn't know s*** about Xenoblade but now it's cool (I still hate Xenoblade's graphics).
Not knowing the character or franchise makes you doubt weither he's ok or not and for the case of Dark Pit, you're seeing him as a clone because that's what he looks like but that doesn't mean he'll act like one.

Ignorance is not the best way to judge a character my friends.

These new smash run games sound super fun
Race to thi finish remixed to being an actual race afainst buddies is super cool
And the jumping one sounds like fun for players that are good at reacting.

Might have to actually but a 3DS now because this game gets better and better with every official post from sakurai.

I really appreciate you guys not posting the images for me. My internal clock has been f*** ever since school started. ;_;



"Pic of the day. Here's one of the final battles in Smash Run, called "Run!" As you'd expect, it involves you dashing toward the finish line. In general, the fighters who are fast by default, equipped with speed-boosting equipment, and powered-up with speed boosts over the course of that Smash Run will have the advantage. However, speed isn't the only factor that will determine who will be victorious... "



"Those red things in the picture are called danger zones, and if you touch one, you'll get penalized by respawning farther back in the stage!! The danger zones disappear after someone else touches them, so fighters following those in the lead will have an advantage. You can still find speed boosts throughout the stage, so it'll be a heated battle 'till the end!!"



"Here's another final battle called "Climb!" Obviously, those that can jump or fly higher will have the advantage, but they also have to avoid the danger zones!! It gets pretty challenging if you've boosted your speed too much, as well. Everyone really gets into this when playing multiplayer."

Highway
To the
Danger Zone



Believe me, I main Toon Link. I realize. But they are functionally & visually the same in a lot of ways. The differences are more subtle than Fox to Falco.

I can forgive Toon Link. Can't forgive Falco, Ganon, Wolf or Lucas though.

Looks really fun. I can imagine people getting extremely good at this though. I kinda hope those danger zones will be randomized somewhat so that memorization isnt a thing.

Still doesn't justify Dark Pit.

face it dark pit is an awful addition and anyone who likes him is perpetuating stupidityanimal crossing has a much more prominent legacy than harvest moon

no, having a farmer or whatever would be stupid
and he probably doesn't have a default name either

jigglypuff's presence is justified because there was over 151 Pokémon at the time and he was popular on the show
meowth could've been in and I wouldn't have cared either
this was the worst counterexample I have ever, ever seen

never try this again, I will destroy you
As established earlier in the thread, most people who play Smash are casual gamers.
Even the ones who claim to be hardcore still probably play with items or know nothing about how to play competitively.

No one's going to care about anything outside the superficial when it comes to characters.

An a purely aesthetic, casually-observant level, Link and Toon Link are the strongest examples of clones in the game. A strong upper 90% of both of their attacks have the exact same animation, with both characters doing the exact same pose.

For people who don't give a s*** about properties, this is enough to determine clone-hood.

It is true that there aren't as much clones in Brawl as there are in Melee, though.

Toon Link has completely different hurt and hitboxes though, which changes the his entire approach game and spacing game. Plus, Link is a somewhat slow and heavy fighter, while Toon Link is quicker and floatier. In certain ways they are kinda opposites.

As I stated in my response to Geno's statement on the matter, casual gamers (the dominant audience for the Smash series) really don't care about all this technical s***. Thus, they are clones on a more superficial level.

Villager is a newcomer, You don't agree with Villager's inclusion.
Your idea newcomer must come from a game with a prominent legacy, which you say Animal Crossing has.
Villager is from Animal Crossing.
The sole reason you dislike your idea newcomer is because of the name? That's a horrible argument. Like so horrible, I'll probably dress up as it for Halloween this year.

By the way, Harvest Moon does have a prominent legacy, being the forefather of games like Animal Crossing, and still going strong on its own, as well. I don't know your definition of "legacy", but it's clearly a made-up one.

The show definitely does not justify the Jigglypuff being in the game. The show wasn't even on a Nintendo System. Games are what should determine what happens on games, and Jigglypuff was not popular with the gaming scene. If you wanted to put something to sleep you used Sleep Powder or Hypnosis, and if you did use Sing it was on a better Pokemon like Wigglytuff. And if you want to argue representation on sheer number of characters you need to do some research on Fire Emblem before you start hating on it again.

I consider myself a casual smasher by all means, but I personally found both characters to play and handle very differently. The only reason I was dissappointed with Toon Link is because I felt that Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass provided much more content to work into a coherent moveset (grapple hook, deku leaf, the various songs he plays with the baton come to mind specifically) as opposed to moves that mainly copy the aestetics and mechanics of another character. I'm still glad the character was worked into Smash though since I enjoy his design and source game.

That's because it's obviously not black and white. Very obviously.
Animal Crossing has more of a legacy than Harvest Moon, yes. But it's still not good enough in my opinion. "Better" does not mean "good enough".

No. Not just the name. You can pretend that that's the only reason I gave, though.
\_/

My care cup is empty.
It does in my opinion. And that's all I do (and should) care about. My own opinion.

Also, who says I'm hating on Fire Emblem? I'm just saying it's another Harvest Moon.

They play completely differently. Toon Link is awesome and Link blows.

Also why haven't you guys started just skipping Jucks posts yet?