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Low-tiers with good High-tier MU's 
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I've heard someone say that kirby beats fox at least 70:30. He talked about how kirby had ridiculous priority and beats alot of characters that lack disjoints.

edit: It was Zalozis
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What makes Kirby 1 Tier above Sonic?
My guess is that he has several even to winning match-up against A and S-tiers.

vs. Sheik, he's pretty good. He mostly out-prioritizes her moves with his own. She's easy juggle food for him and a pretty simple to deal with recovery. A Bair off stage can kill her pretty easily. And he's small and light, so he avoids a lot of her follow-up and it can be torture trying to land a Fair or Bair on Kirby as Sheik. Every Sheik player needs to good Zelda against Kirby.

vs. Donkey, this is even in my opinion, but it's a wild match-up. Kirby can juggle the hell out of DK at any percent because of the low scaling on all of his Up moves. At 0%, Usmash > Usmash > Usmash > Uair string > Hammer for KO is a very easy BnB combo. The other side is that DK can kill Kirby at 50% with most of his moves, and kill at 0% with a Charged-Punch.

vs. Fox is probably like 70 or more for Kirby. Launch moves that give a ton of time for a hammer follow-up, a bunch of low-angled moves to gimp, and a good sort of high priority moves to edge-guard with (Bair, Dash-Attack, Fsmash). Fox has to be careful because it's very easy for Kirby to remove a stock in a single sequence.

He also fairs quite well against the other B-tier on this list, so there's that. In a lot of match-ups, if you're not a swordsman or lack disjoints, you can't hit Kirby during his Dash-Attack. The moves is incredibly stupid in priority and hit-boxes.

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How is that related?

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TheCodeSamurai wrote:
How is that related?

I guess it wasn't related to the post I was quoting so I'll edit out that quote. It's related to the thread for sure though

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Yeah, we discussed that MU at length. I think it's doable as Fox if you play as lame as possible (read: camping lasers, run-in dtilt dash-away, Sliding Shine drill-shine-usmash or similar for punishes, bairing or nairing any Kirby approach and/or running to the other side of the screen, and just win the war of attrition).

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Lunary, have you tried getting a mechanical or ergonomic keyboard? My hands hurt sometimes when I program and use keyboard shortcuts or play Fox too much, and it's super helpful to get a mechanical keyboard. Just make sure that the keys aren't too hard to press so you can still short hop and stuff and you'll be much happier.

I'm already using a mechanical keybaord actually.

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Damn. Have you tried getting a good ergonomic keyboard (this keyboard is super nice if you don't use Space, because that key is hard to tap quickly)?

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How do you guys rate :megaman: vs :fox:?

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Fox wins the MU, partly because shinespikes are really good but mainly because Fox has a reflector and speed to get in, can do heavy damage off of punishes, and can get Megaman offstage, while Megaman sorta has to rely on cheese to try and win. I think MM has a chaingrab, but I'm not sure. MM can edgeguard Fox really well, though, so that complicates things. I'd say 60-40 Fox.

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Im very new to the competitive scene so if my advice is invalid its because i suck at smash pretty badly. I play mostly of instinct.

Anyways, :megaman: has a chaingrab(d-throw). But you cant continue the chain above around 45 on :fox:.

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I think MM's chaingrab only works at super low percents if you DI correctly. It for sure doesn't work above 40% because you go into knockdown.

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thats what i said, at least i think so.

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I just tested it: if you DI out, you can Shine before they can regrab at 0%.

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