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MG Mafia XVII: JoJo's Bizarre Mafia (Fin) 

Who should host next game?
Poll ended at Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:48 pm
CXCIV - Turnabout Mafia (Ace Attorney) 63%  63%  [ 12 ]
Terra - All-stars 2 (Roles based on previous mafia game roles) 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
TheOneWhoKnocks - DotA-themed Mafia (Roles based on heroes from the games) 16%  16%  [ 3 ]
Axel - Kibgdom Hearts Mafia (uPick setup) 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 19

MG Mafia XVII: JoJo's Bizarre Mafia (Fin) 
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Ok, super mega post of the win.

I think I can paint a fairly complete picture of our situation. Here we go.

Night 1
Vanellope kills Shoop.
I can understand this, actually. While it is rarely a good idea to make use of one's vigilante powers on Night 1, it can be hard to resist the temptation to off a scum read right away.

Mafia kills Dephius.
Decent kill option, barring the fact that it confirmed TOWK as town. I'm guessing that they hadn't considered that at the time. Unless, of course, TOWK is mafia and they planned it that way from the beginning... but I don't want to consider that possibility.


Night 2
Mafia kills Geno.
Clearly the go-to choice for the mafia kill. They couldn't run the risk that Geno actually possessed an ability so overpowered as to force someone to tell the truth.

Geno tries to kill 194.
This makes perfect sense from Geno's point of view. He knew 194 was a roleblocker and didn't particularly feel like having any of his future kills blocked. This means that 194 is not confirmed town, only uncounter-claimed and apparently proven roleblocker.

This does beg the question, however. King Arthur, why did you redirect actions from 194 to Kyuubit? What were you hoping to achieve?


135 and Shoop are confirmed town. TOWK and Thomas can be considered the same. I have a very strong town read on DJ Wizard Cop, an opinion that I think most will agree with. Assuming that 194 told the truth about blocking Geno - and really, even as scum he would have no reason to lie about that - Vanellope's vigilante claim is secure. The fact that we have a reviver also supports the idea that there are three killing roles in the game.

Who does that leave us with?
194
Deciton_Reven
Champ
King Arthur.

I think it's safe to say that three of these guys are scum. Which three I have yet to determine, but I'm betting that King Arthur is among them.

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That was... less mega-posty than originally planned.

Oh well. It's the content that matters!

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There are 3 killers yet there were 2 kills at both night and 1 person revived so there are a few things that can happen:
a)1 of the 3 killers was role blocked both nights.
b)Vanellope didn't kill night 2.
c)Geno could have not killed despite being a serial killer.

194 claimed role blocker and geno went after him and king arthur switched the kill that was target to 194 a potential scum and killed kyubbit who wasn't thought of scum on day 2.194 could claim role blocker and go after geno and geno being a serial killer tried to kill 194 and arthur switched it with kyubbit killing the serial killer and a town in 1 night.
I'm thinking in the potential 194/king arthur scum team and the third mafia member i'm not sure.

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Brikanorak wrote:
Ok, super mega post of the win.

I think I can paint a fairly complete picture of our situation. Here we go.

Night 1
Vanellope kills Shoop.
I can understand this, actually. While it is rarely a good idea to make use of one's vigilante powers on Night 1, it can be hard to resist the temptation to off a scum read right away.

Mafia kills Dephius.
Decent kill option, barring the fact that it confirmed TOWK as town. I'm guessing that they hadn't considered that at the time. Unless, of course, TOWK is mafia and they planned it that way from the beginning... but I don't want to consider that possibility.


Night 2
Mafia kills Geno.
Clearly the go-to choice for the mafia kill. They couldn't run the risk that Geno actually possessed an ability so overpowered as to force someone to tell the truth.

Geno tries to kill 194.
This makes perfect sense from Geno's point of view. He knew 194 was a roleblocker and didn't particularly feel like having any of his future kills blocked. This means that 194 is not confirmed town, only uncounter-claimed and apparently proven roleblocker.

This does beg the question, however. King Arthur, why did you redirect actions from 194 to Kyuubit? What were you hoping to achieve?


135 and Shoop are confirmed town. TOWK and Thomas can be considered the same. I have a very strong town read on DJ Wizard Cop, an opinion that I think most will agree with. Assuming that 194 told the truth about blocking Geno - and really, even as scum he would have no reason to lie about that - Vanellope's vigilante claim is secure. The fact that we have a reviver also supports the idea that there are three killing roles in the game.

Who does that leave us with?
194
Deciton_Reven
Champ
King Arthur.

I think it's safe to say that three of these guys are scum. Which three I have yet to determine, but I'm betting that King Arthur is among them.

You literally said nothing that has not already been said

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Brikanorak wrote:
Night 2
Mafia kills Geno.
Clearly the go-to choice for the mafia kill. They couldn't run the risk that Geno actually possessed an ability so overpowered as to force someone to tell the truth.

Geno tries to kill 194.
This makes perfect sense from Geno's point of view. He knew 194 was a roleblocker and didn't particularly feel like having any of his future kills blocked. This means that 194 is not confirmed town, only uncounter-claimed and apparently proven roleblocker.

This does beg the question, however. King Arthur, why did you redirect actions from 194 to Kyuubit? What were you hoping to achieve?


Hold it.

While it's true that Geno had claimed a powerful role, it's also true that he was a suspected player, and he ended Day 2 at L-2.
As such, why would the Mafia waste time killing him if they could set him up for a lynch without much trouble?

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I visited Deciton_Reven. I got a successful notification like I did Night 1, so it should have worked.

Please answer all the questions in my post.


Because I'll trust no confirmation. Except mod confirmation.
And because balance is still throwing me off.
However, now I'm told Thomas reviving is conditional.

Thomas, a question: WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY THIS EARLIER?

It not only makes your ability claim far more reasonable, it also heavily suggests multiple kill flavors.

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@TheOneWhoKnocks: Not true. I have yet to see anyone state plainly that it is obvious who killed whom during Night 2. I'm not sure anyone has questioned why Arthur pulled his shenanigans, either. Regarding the other stuff, what exactly do you want me to say beyond what I said? I need answers from Arthur before I solidify my opinion any further.

@194: I don't know about you, but if I was scum and I knew of the possibility of a role that could force me or my teammates to tell the truth, I would want it out of the game as soon as possible. Furthermore, let's suppose that Geno was telling the truth but the mafia decided to kill someone else and try for the mislynch. The following day, Geno would have gained major town points by using his ability as a truth serum. Bam! Mislynch opportunity all but evaporated.

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Brikanorak wrote:
@TheOneWhoKnocks: Not true. I have yet to see anyone state plainly that it is obvious who killed whom during Night 2. I'm not sure anyone has questioned why Arthur pulled his shenanigans, either. Regarding the other stuff, what exactly do you want me to say beyond what I said? I need answers from Arthur before I solidify my opinion any further.

Well, "said" meaning "is painfully obvious and/or conjecture." You said you would help as a third party to scumhunt and I really don't see you doing anything special

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Ok...

I'm doing my best here, but I would be much obliged if you could point me in the direction of someone who is doing "something special", as you say. It seems to me that most are singing variations on the same song. My mind is made up. Our scumbags are among 194, Champ, Deciton and King Arthur. Narrowing it down further requires answers to my questions.


Oh, I keep forgetting to vote: King Arthur.

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Why do you suspect Arthur above all those others?

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I think that king knew geno was gonna target 194 to kill so he switched it and killed kyubbit to kill a town but doing this king got more suspicious.

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CXCIV wrote:
However, now I'm told Thomas reviving is conditional.

Thomas, a question: WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY THIS EARLIER?

It not only makes your ability claim far more reasonable, it also heavily suggests multiple kill flavors.


Because, I forgot about that detail when I claimed. My role PM was buried in my inbox, so I cleaned it out and took a gander at it before I sent in my night action.

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King Arthur wrote:
@Mod: If it was possible to find a replacement for Vanellope, would the replacement be able to receive notification of previous night actions? I've seen this in a few games before, but it's a mod-to-mod thing.

Nope.

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TheOneWhoKnocks -
CXCIV - DJ Wizard Cop
Mr. Shoop -
Vanellope -
Deciton_Reven -
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Brikanorak - TheOneWhoKnocks, 135
RG4L | Champ -
King Arthur - Brikanorak
DJ Wizard Cop -
Thomas Terminator -

Not currently voting: CXCIV, Mr. Shoop, Vanellope, Deciton_Reven, RG4L | Champ, King Arthur, Thomas Terminator

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Your time is up, Jotaro!

Gold Experience Requiem sends Jotaro into an infinite-death loop where he's killed in several different ways, forever.



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Vanellope (Jotaro Kujo) has been modkilled!

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Welp, nothing really changes, move along

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